C-Bug.

[HaZe]

i want it allowed because the following:

1. it makes it easier for a new player with little money, and wants to earn money with nothing but a desert eagle, while other people have sawns. use the c-bug for defense and you're all good.

2. it makes duels more exciting

3. when u switch to the wrong gun in a sawn fight, c-bug fixes the error

4. you can avoid grenades and burning cars if ur shooting a walk weapon

5. it's a very widespread and popular form of fighting

6. many servers allow it, such as a highly popular one known as GTA:T (GTA Tournament)

7. obviously the majority of LVP want this to be allowed, and they're the ones that fucking matter in this community.

[Mike]

All those reasons are good reasons, but most are already available with what exists in LVP today. I agree that something new in LVP is nice (I've been playing over a year and a half, and it IS boring) and allowing this would be an easy way to do that. But, you have to consider the perversion of the game; there is an attraction to be conservative about things like this. Having rules like this maintain a nice peace within the server. Without rules, it would be even more chaotic than what it is now.

So, basically, using the C-bug is just using one's special knowledge to gain an advantage over the fellow player. That's not much different than switching between the Tec 9 and the Sawn-off weapons with out reloading. It's also no different than using the /tune command to get to SF or LS quickly, or even /ramping to get where others can't (who don't know how to use /ramping), or using a casino bug to gain about 1.4 billion dollars in the matter of seconds. Considering all of this, there must be a line between how far players are allowed to go. If all things similar are allowed, we would have players doing extensive things that may destroy the server's environment. Maybe the line should be where it is now. If it constantly moves one direction, what's to stop it?

[Jay]

yeah and the devs don't play this as seriously as the players do.. so why this would bother the devs is beyond me

I have been playing SA-MP now since the day it was released, and developing for it for just over a year now. I probably haven't gone a week without playing SA-MP ever since 0.1 was released. Just because I don't play on the same servers you do, doesn't mean I don't play 'seriously'.

From what I can see, most people besides devs are fine with it.

Right. So you are speaking on behalf of the 40.000 registered players on LVP, which about 2% of which probably know about this topic.

"Properly" in single player is what you're referring to- properly in sa-mp is using the cbug.

SA-MP is a modification of singleplayer, remember. If this weapon was designed to react with this bug, I'm sure SA-MP officials would support it to, which, they don't by the way.

Fact of the matter is guys like HaZe and myself fight 900% more than the devs or admins do, and have a better grasp on the fighting side of sa-mp and LVP.

Like I said with Munch, just because I don't play that much on the same servers as you do, doesn't mean I don't play. My style of playing is deathmatch to, by the way.

1. it makes it easier for a new player with little money, and wants to earn money with nothing but a desert eagle, while other people have sawns. use the c-bug for defense and you're all good.

Killing isn't the only method of earning money in LVP. Properties, vehicle exports, borrowing, minigames and ship idling are some examples. In 2.90, there will be over 20 new money earning features introduced which are even easier than killing, one example is taking a visit to your local scrap yard and crushing your vehicle for a scrap value.

2. it makes duels more exciting

A lot of people play SA-MP because they like GTAanandreas so much. Bug abusing will take the general feel of the game away when it comes down to duels.

3. when u switch to the wrong gun in a sawn fight, c-bug fixes the error

You can buy other weapons which don't slow you down over the deagle, such as the Colt 45.

4. you can avoid grenades and burning cars if ur shooting a walk weapon

I completely disagree. If a car is driving towards you in flames, or someone has just thrown a grenade at you, if you are shooting with a walk weapon, you have to start running, however if you are shooting with a run weapon, normally you are already running, and can get away quicker.

5. it's a very widespread and popular form of fighting

I agree, which is why I think bug abusing should not be allowed, because it will ruin it.

6. many servers allow it, such as a highly popular one known as GTA:T (GTA Tournament)

GTA:T may be popular and known, but it doesn't normally have many players connected to it, infact I have yet to see more than 20 players connected. Other servers which are even more popular, such as Party Server and Littlewhiteys do not allowed it.

7. obviously the majority of LVP want this to be allowed, and they're the ones that fucking matter in this community.

Like I said with Munch, you are not speaking on behalf of the 40.000+ registered players here.

[Maddolis]

I'm not saying that the devs never fight, I'm just saying that from the people who have posted here and who I have asked ingame, 98% of the fighters want it to be allowed.
Half the admins stay on the ship or cruise or whatever (not saying you're one of them Jay- heck you used to be my gang leader- just saying at least half of them), and while I'd respect (or be made to respect) their opinions on chatting and cruising, if these people never fight then their opinion doesn't carry much weight.
I even know of a few crewmembers who would like the c-bug allowed.

As far as I've seen so far, there's about 3-5 people who want it to remain disallowed, and hundreds who want it allowed like it used to be. Whether these 3-5 people are developers or admins or regular players, it doesn't matter- its still 0.5% of the fighting community- we gotta ask ourselves what would be best for the entire community, and give the people what they want.*


*Couldn't type that with a straight face, but I'm serious.

Edit: Hitman's post below reminded me, this 40000 registered players means jack shit, there'd be 300 regulars max, and 150 max fighters.

[[UvH]Hitman]

Why did you put this topic in "Open for discussion" when you know that you wont ever allow it? Get it man, the community wants c-bug to be allowed.The community that matters, like Haze said.

Oh, and dont come with "40.000 registered players". Its just all these new samp players, who never play on this server again etc, because they learn how to use the samp client. Lets count the "regular" players, i bet the number of those is below 1000.

[Mike]

This is getting pointless. Haze, Maddolis, and Hitman, only about 10 people have posted here wanting the C-Bug, not hundreds. Jay, you just keep going on and on about the same thing. Engage some new points, or shut the fuck up; it's annoying.

So, Haze, Maddolis, and Hitman, I suggest you get a couple hundred people to post here, saying they want this allowed, or you guys should shut the fuck up too.

Thank you.

[[UvH]Hitman]

You should "shut the fuck up" too, this is "open for discussion", so let us discuss about it. If you find this so uber mega ultra hyper extreme annoying, dont read it.

[Jay]

I'm only responding to arguements that are being brought up myself, Mike, and just sticking to my orginal opinion about it being unfair. No need to start a personal arguement here. I have a right to post here along with anyone else, hence the title of the section this topic is in.    

[tomozj]

This is getting pointless. Haze, Maddolis, and Hitman, only about 10 people have posted here wanting the C-Bug, not hundreds. Jay, you just keep going on and on about the same thing. Engage some new points, or shut the fuck up; it's annoying.

So, Haze, Maddolis, and Hitman, I suggest you get a couple hundred people to post here, saying they want this allowed, or you guys should shut the fuck up too.

Thank you.

Don't say that.

I'm not saying that the devs never fight, I'm just saying that from the people who have posted here and who I have asked ingame, 98% of the fighters want it to be allowed.
Half the admins stay on the ship or cruise or whatever (not saying you're one of them Jay- heck you used to be my gang leader- just saying at least half of them), and while I'd respect (or be made to respect) their opinions on chatting and cruising, if these people never fight then their opinion doesn't carry much weight.
I even know of a few crewmembers who would like the c-bug allowed.

As far as I've seen so far, there's about 3-5 people who want it to remain disallowed, and hundreds who want it allowed like it used to be. Whether these 3-5 people are developers or admins or regular players, it doesn't matter- its still 0.5% of the fighting community- we gotta ask ourselves what would be best for the entire community, and give the people what they want.*

It's not only the 'fighting community' that matter here - remember that other players get assraped too by your fighting, and do you really think that it's fair to get raped by a noob with a deagle using some bug when trying to buy properties, where usually a player could run away? As long as players are fighting on LVP and killing non-fighters, then this point is valid. You're saying that it's only up to the 'fighting community' as they're the only ones affected, when that's clearly incorrect (and I'm amazed that didn't come to mind when you wrote your point).

1. it makes it easier for a new player with little money, and wants to earn money with nothing but a desert eagle, while other people have sawns. use the c-bug for defense and you're all good.

You start at the bottom for a reason: to build yourself up. Again, is this really fair that DMers can simply bug their way to the top without having to try hard at all, and non-DMers are up against the hordes of fighters, and now the buggy noobs? Unfair.

2. it makes duels more exciting

Bringing in a new bug isn't the correct way to spice up your SA-MP life.

3. when u switch to the wrong gun in a sawn fight, c-bug fixes the error

Don't be so stupid to do this in the first place - it's not hard at all to simply press q or e again. Oh, and if you argue that you shoot before you can see then that's a problem with your technique and you are bringing this 'error' on yourself. Anyway, how are you going to do the c-bug faster than simply changing weapons again?! Your argument is weak.

4. you can avoid grenades and burning cars if ur shooting a walk weapon

Oh come on, you seriously don't need a bug for that. Read what I said above again and you'll see some points relevant to this also. You can simply stop shooting and run also! Jeez.

5. it's a very widespread and popular form of fighting

Woah, who cares? That doesn't make it right. Weed is very popular but I believe it's still illegal where I live.

6. many servers allow it, such as a highly popular one known as GTA:T (GTA Tournament)

Yes, your one example proves how so many servers allow it. The majority are probably gang servers (you know I'm right). As someone stated earlier, both PS and LWs both disallow this bug. Obviously LVP isn't the only ones not allowing this. GTA:T is a DM server, whereas LVP is more than just DM. Different type of server, yet another point which counters pretty well, and links up to a previous point I made about equality between DMers and non-DMers.. this is getting quite tedious now..

7. obviously the majority of LVP want this to be allowed, and they're the ones that fucking matter in this community.

The majority haven't replied, and definitely the majority haven't replied and stated they want this to be allowed. And don't you say "they're the ones that fucking matter", as many pieces make up the puzzle - how the hell do you think you can play on such a fast server, which is available 24-7? How do you think you can play such a great gamemode, and be able to have others script up the features you suggest? If I were you, I'd take that back - everyone in this community matters (excluding Jay, sorry).

[Jay]

(excluding Jay, sorry).

You fail