[Serious Discussion] Religion

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0target0, i guess i reached the limit of ur "patience", gg u even reported me  for that


"Therefore they are not real and therefore your god is not real."

u're doing his quantum all backwards if u think there is no real wave-like nature before collapse occurs: Dear Positivists: Who's The Quantum Mystic Now?

If there is no real probability wave then we wouldn't be seeing an interference pattern in the double-slit experiment. Also the ensemble interpretation has long been debunked.

This is from Hameroff's site directly: (Hameroff is the guy who teamed up with Penrose on Orch-OR)


Problematic Feature of Consciousness:

"Essential nature of human experience"

Possible Quantum Solutions:

"1) Wave function self collapse (Orch OR) from incompatible superposition of separated space-times;
2) Pre-consciousconscious transition;
3) Effectively instantaneous "now"(Orch OR) collapse."

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http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penr...rchor.html"



nuff said 0target0, yet another argument of urs "cuz i say so" has been proven a fail. deny more u want, u've officialy lost this debate, now go state ur own opinion because u simply can't stop, but the fact is that u're wrong. THESE UP THERE ARE FACTS. if u deny them, u deny science therefore u can't say NOTHING about Religion, NOTHING about this debate itself.


Johananratz truly is a scientists, not to mention his public debates... he's master at this, engineers cant stop him.

u're an ex-christian and u're on opposite side of the debate.  "then it's your turn to give us the facts and so forth, but so far, you have always failed to do so." THESE above (quote) in ORCH OR theory are FACTs. if you think they aren't then answer :

"Since collapse is ontologically identical with protophenomenal observation (meaning the same thing that occurs in both mental observation and observation by non-mental equipment), how can self-collapse not equal self-observation? Since self-observation is equal to consciousness how is self-collapse ontologically different in any way shape or form from self-observation?"

you couldn't (obviously u're clueless, i like the way u can't answer because i know = its a win then), therefore ex-christians and atheists can laugh, but the truth remains (no matter how much you try, they will STAY as facts. face it, u dont have a clue what science ORCH OR provides, you just deny and state ur clueless opinion. God, go study you've been owned by 17 years old kid. )



"Classic debate emphasizes logic and real-world discussion" wow, only a discussion.. yet again failed