06-10-2011, 07:16 PM
Maka u still here? this discussion does not involve u because u obviously dont know whats going on, face it (dont say u do otherwise ur agument'd be better)
0target0, i guess i reached the limit of ur "patience", gg u even reported meĀ for that
"Therefore they are not real and therefore your god is not real."
u're doing his quantum all backwards if u think there is no real wave-like nature before collapse occurs: Dear Positivists: Who's The Quantum Mystic Now?
If there is no real probability wave then we wouldn't be seeing an interference pattern in the double-slit experiment. Also the ensemble interpretation has long been debunked.
This is from Hameroff's site directly: (Hameroff is the guy who teamed up with Penrose on Orch-OR)
Problematic Feature of Consciousness:
"Essential nature of human experience"
Possible Quantum Solutions:
"1) Wave function self collapse (Orch OR) from incompatible superposition of separated space-times;
2) Pre-consciousconscious transition;
3) Effectively instantaneous "now"(Orch OR) collapse."
"
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penr...rchor.html"
nuff said 0target0, yet another argument of urs "cuz i say so" has been proven a fail. deny more u want, u've officialy lost this debate, now go state ur own opinion because u simply can't stop, but the fact is that u're wrong. THESE UP THERE ARE FACTS. if u deny them, u deny science therefore u can't say NOTHING about Religion, NOTHING about this debate itself.
Johananratz truly is a scientists, not to mention his public debates... he's master at this, engineers cant stop him.
0target0, i guess i reached the limit of ur "patience", gg u even reported meĀ for that
"Therefore they are not real and therefore your god is not real."
u're doing his quantum all backwards if u think there is no real wave-like nature before collapse occurs: Dear Positivists: Who's The Quantum Mystic Now?
If there is no real probability wave then we wouldn't be seeing an interference pattern in the double-slit experiment. Also the ensemble interpretation has long been debunked.
This is from Hameroff's site directly: (Hameroff is the guy who teamed up with Penrose on Orch-OR)
Problematic Feature of Consciousness:
"Essential nature of human experience"
Possible Quantum Solutions:
"1) Wave function self collapse (Orch OR) from incompatible superposition of separated space-times;
2) Pre-consciousconscious transition;
3) Effectively instantaneous "now"(Orch OR) collapse."
"
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penr...rchor.html"
nuff said 0target0, yet another argument of urs "cuz i say so" has been proven a fail. deny more u want, u've officialy lost this debate, now go state ur own opinion because u simply can't stop, but the fact is that u're wrong. THESE UP THERE ARE FACTS. if u deny them, u deny science therefore u can't say NOTHING about Religion, NOTHING about this debate itself.
Johananratz truly is a scientists, not to mention his public debates... he's master at this, engineers cant stop him.