[Serious Discussion] Religion

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Why dont the Quran or Bible say things straight out, compared to scientists who explain things as careful they can?
All these verses can mean so many things, including what you guys say, and what not.
Every verse can be interpreted different from every person, and those who want science into religion will obviously see that this verse fits perfectly for how the brain works.

"Scientists have only  discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years"
Nothing was discovered out from that verse either.

The Qur'an does say things straight out. If you've read it you'll know what I'm talking about and how there are specifics and non-specifics. If you haven't read it then you aren't in a position to comment on what it says and doesn't say, you're either listening to what someone else has said, or the media. Which is what causes so many problems in the first place, peoples lack of willingness to discover things for themselves with an open mind.

This is pretty straight out:

"Nay, but if he cease not We will seize him by the forelock"
"The lying, sinful forelock"

Those two verses talk about a man who is preventing his Muslim slaves from praying, and also disbelieving in God. There's more verses before and after which show the true context but they're not what I'm about to point out.

"The lying sinful forelock" talks about the front of the head, where the prefrontal cortex is located, the part of the brain where lying, truth, good and bad decisions are made.

Another piece of science within the Qur'an, which was found to be true, I think in the early 20th century is the creation and development of a baby.

"Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create"

I've researched this and found it to be completely true. Science backs it up. In fact, scientists used to think that the flesh was created before the bones, but during the 20th century they discovered they were wrong, and that it's actually the bones forming first then the flesh. Qur'an was right.

The stage where it talks about a "clot" is where the blood begins to be supplied to the blastula after it attaches itself to the wall of the uterus, which then forms it into an embryo.

God isn't saying the exact step by step development of the embryo through and from the early days, to the final stages of development, nobody in those times would have understood what it meant.

It's like someone from the future coming to you today and explaining how they developed a special metal alloy which enabled man to travel close to the sun without feeling any heat for burning to death. It wouldn't make sense at all. Before you say or think that I'm being unrealistic there, Albert Einstein, once stated that nothing is impossible.

The video posted shows a woman who is the daughter of a Shīʻah Muslim, they don't follow Islam in the same way as the the vast majority of Muslims (Sunni Muslims) do. Shīʻah are pretty extreme in some cases, for example in Iran, a Shīʻah Muslim country, they behead homosexuals. They're almost like the vigilantes of Muslims. They take things into their own hands, and try to justify it by verses of the Qur'an, but what they seem to be missing is that only God can judge people, so they're trying to do something that God hasn't permitted them to do.

"3:7: It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."

The video states in the first minute that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, it also says that its about "Islamic Extremists", these people aren't considered true Muslims, they attack and kill Muslims and non-Muslims. A Muslim worships God alone, these extremists worship people like Osama Bin Laden. They're not true Muslims.

The word Jihad does NOT mean "Holy War" Jihad is making an effort to be a good true Muslim, worshiping God alone, and struggling to show everyone how great Islam really is. Muslims posting in this topic are performing a form of Jihad.

What's to say God didn't cause the big bang. No one ever said he picked up some clay and a paint brush, made a sphere and painted it blue and green, did they?

One of the things that caused me to stop believing in scientists theories of evolution concerning the formation of man, is that they're always focusing on "the big bang" and "evolution" but they never explain the parts before and in between.

What caused the Big Bang? What caused the circumstances? According so the theory, extremely hot gasses and matter were involved, so where did they come from? Something can't be created from nothing, there needs to be something to start the process.

What caused life to form on earth? Scientists have tried to create life and failed, they've had tests where they had all of the fundamentals for life to be created and survive, but have never been able to create it, even when they've used existing living cells.

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It's just that it's not those type of people that have come to this topic to argue.
I'm all up for 50% religious 50% science, to put it that way, but I dont like 100% religious people who just don't want to see things other ways. (This obviously goes for the 100% science people with the religious but this is my opinion)

Of course there is a point where science and religion meet, I've touched on this above. Science has brought us an awful lot of great things, and an awful lot of bad things, so has religion. I agree that some of the religious people are too engrossed in their holy book. Extremists in Islam, Judaism, Christianity, using verses as excuses to justify their criminal acts is a bullshit cop out to try and avoid consequences of their actions. Or there's those who look to their holy book for every answer to every question or situation in life. When the best answer could come from common sense or science. Like some people, not allowing themselves or their children to have medical treatment which would require an operation.

Overall, religion and science aren't opposites, though they do have distinctions and disagree in certain circumstances. The Qur'an has many scientific references which have been proven by science to be true.