[Serious Discussion] Religion

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(it's actually laughable that Slice, the guy who actually doesn't have a clue what we're talking about stops by just to critise me. i've been trolling him enough (in sa-mp) , now this? yes victims have to approach xD)


@Grim he accuses me of MISINTERPRETATIONS. interesting indeed, because he can't really JUDGE me at that at all. he's been doing misinterpretations all the time. how can you have a proper debate with someone when he doesn't even know what a debate is ?

e.g.:

Grim link=topic=28190.msg391449#msg391449 date=1307788346]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this aint a debate.

"Classic debate emphasizes logic and real-world discussion"

The wave function of the universe is a property of the universe, the self collapsing wave function is still a property of the mind. The conclusion is still a misinterpretation, and theres absolutely no way around it.

I would kindly advise you to stop with the personal criticism, because that is only the behavior of a bad loser. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a flaming topic.

i'm sorry 0target0, but you did not explain your argument therefore it's just your opinion. i mean, i can just claim Newton's law is misinterpretation because Force is a wrong term and claim to be true. thats what ure doing all the time. i can quote all the post i proven you wrong already, just for u. 


btw are you calling yourself a bad loser?

What are you saying? Start making sense monkey man.

good to know, im having a debate with a bad loser.

Grim link=topic=28190.msg391542#msg391542 date=1307823211]

So basically what you're saying is that the universe is a mind, and the mind = God? Thats how it works?))

So why are you connecting Orch or and God, while barely anyone else does?

I know you can't reply my question dedicated to 0target0, because so far everything u' had shown in that topic was "ur opinion", with no special arguments. but if universe is a mind then that approves creationism, for e.g. if MIND was  created, then that's officialiy an intelligent design. but can the mind be created with "Big Bang" only? or is it already needed more than that, Someone who is even smarter than us ? obviously a creator.


now, i see u did not question the universe and mind comparations as 0target0 (but i had proved him wrong according to previous posts), i'd like to say that in ur previous post u've mentioned something like this : "ORCH OR is theory of conciousness, a term most of us know" , wait wait wait ... Big Bang theory is theory of universe's creation, a term most of us know. ehm, what makes it wrong then? nothing.


0target0, you still didn't reply this. why are you avoiding the question? perhaps because all ur arguments were misinterpretations and that's just proves that u're clueless about the following question?  if you're a bad loser that does not mean you perhaps dont know (or is it... )

"Since collapse is ontologically identical with protophenomenal observation (meaning the same thing that occurs in both mental observation and observation by non-mental equipment), how can self-collapse not equal self-observation? Since self-observation is equal to consciousness how is self-collapse ontologically different in any way shape or form from self-observation?"

answer or just admit it. by avoiding the question it's just doubtful , how many false arguments can you yet provide.