(04-14-2011, 08:54 PM)Maka link Wrote: Maybe this doesn't fully belong in here, but let's talk Turkey for a second: This particular country has problems. They want to join the EU, but in order to do that, you need to have a few rules. One of these rules is: to keep state and church separate. It's something they don't, and probably won't.
Stop talking bullshit, Maka. You know I like you, but this is just plain bullshit. Don't talk about politics if you have no idea.
Turkey is a secular state. Greece is NOT and yet Greece is an EU member.
Germany's leading party is the CDU. You know what it means? Christliche Demokratische Union. Christlich = Christian. AKP (leading party in Turkey) doesn't even have "Islam" in its name.
Seriously, we're not going to join EU ever. At least, that's what I and most of the Turkish people hope. I even hope that Turkey will quit NATO someday. We are sick of being "the (military) servants of the West". It's all about money. Why did NATO troops intervene in the war in Libya? Yes, the official reason was that Ghaddafi killed his own (civilian) people with bombs and what not. But that's the VERY SAME SHIT the Israeli troops have done to Palestinian, Syrian, Lebanese etc. The very same NATO troops have done to Iraqi and Afghani people in the past decade. The very same Russia has done to Chechnian people. And now you have the balls to fight in Libya? Guess what, there's a lot of oil waiting to support you at polluting our only environment: THE EARTH! Yay, more CO-2 emissions! Let me speculate further: Maybe the strongest militaries in the world have even invented a new environment friendlier technology that does not run on fossil fuels but as good as the current ones, or even better.
I also find it funny how <16 year old people argue whether alcohol is harmful or not. You guys (except TwD) seem to only think of violence if asked for the negative aspects of alcohol. Accidents is all I say.
This debate will go on for ages. It's just ridiculous how atheists have to defend themselves and attack religious people all the fucking time. Let's face it: Religious people think they are right, and so do atheists. Sometimes people forget that the freedom of speech is not the right to slander.
[me=Turkey]points to the most ignorant person on our board: Grim! Gratulations.[/me]
Quote:Believers, Jews, Sabaeans or Christians - whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right - shall have nothing to fear or regret. [Quran Chapter 2 Verse 62]
Let me act like the ignorant person mentioned above. You have something to fear and regret! FEAR! Mark my words, buddies! You will so go to hell!
oll:But hey, Allah (SWT) is the most merciful.
(debating on religions is a no go on an online board, it's always full of ignorant kiddies.)
And oh,
Quote:well, thats just stupid if u ask me, because they call themselves religious people but in the other hand, they dont even do what Religion tells them to do or break the rules..
there's a difference between practicing and believing.