[Serious Discussion] Religion

[Tuism]

Sounds to me like what he did after drinking are the sins. Not the act of drinking. But I can see you feel very strongly about this and like I said in my first comment, a few words will never convince anyone. So I rest my case.

yes what he did after drinking are sins, but what his excuse will be? "I was drunk!"

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Started from murder...? Gee, what happened to the near thousand other suggestions?
That's quite the fairytale you brought up there.  oll:

Drinking is not a sin. Hell, what about drinking water? Definitely a sin now isn't it.

yeah I know what you are saying man, I got that problem all the time too 

Islam is so realistic, I'm glad you guide me man!

Same here man. Last week I drank a couple of beers with my mates, and before I know I raped this hot girl and killed her after that  ! Damn alcohol beverages, why you taste so daaayuummnnn good?!

Only one  ? On friday I raped like a 1000 virgins and killed them all  !

I'm glad, from now on the Quran will guide me!

Fucking Bible had it all wrong!

Is that why priests like to lick kiddie wee wee's?

But there are hundreds of thousands of people who murder and rape all the time. Most of them aren't under the influence of alcohol. Maybe some rapists will have some alcohol in their system, but probably not enough to affect their judgement to the extent of committing such a crime.

Generally, rapists and murderers know what they are doing, alcohol is often just a scapegoat.

And no, I'm not defending alcohol, of course it can be evil. It destroys families and marriages (ie like my dad) but it's no excuse for crimes such as murder and rape.


Also, what about people like Saddam, Hitler, and Stalin? Were they drunk when they murdered millions of people?

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haha hold on there ppl, I didn't say that alcohol is the origin of all problems in the world, I'm saying that alcohol can cause hundreds and hundreds of problems without even punishing the drunk people causing it, because they always have an excuse: "I WAS DRUNK".

and no it's not a fairy tale... it actually happened and it's still happening.

and here's why my fairy tale is so realistic:

Number of handgun or violent crimes annually related to drugs and/or alcohol and Number of murders annually related to drugs and/or alcohol?

• One half of all traffic accidents are alcohol related. U.S.A. Today - 1/24/90
  

• An estimated 23,200 murdered in U.S. last year Newsweek - 3/25/91
  

• Of all murders, alcohol was involved in at least 34% of cases.
  

• Rape - More than 1/2 of rapists had been drinking.
  

• Child abuse - mothers convicted are 3 times more likely to be alcoholics - fathers 10 times more likely.
  

• Suicide - Up to 36% of victims were drinking just before. Prodigy Services Co. - 3/3/92
  

• Heavy drinking is involved in 60% of violent crimes, 30% of suicides, and 80% of fire and drowning accidents.
  

• The suicide rate of alcoholics is 30 times that of the general population. AFA journal - 1/90
  

• The percentage of households that were scenes of violent crime or of burglary or property crime in 1989 was 24.9%. LA Times - 9/3/90
  

• Among men arrested for serious crime in 12 major cities, 53% (in Phoenix) to 79% (New York) tested positive for illicit drugs in voluntary urine analysis at time of arrest. Insight - 2/29/89
  

• About 2/3 of people arrested in larger cities for felonies. . .test positive for illegal drugs. Economist - 1/21/89
  

http://www.alcoholicsvictorious.org/faq/impact.html

and that's just in America

I'm just saying it's wrong to believe in these books, religious differences has killed more people on this planet than anything else. It has led to abuse of power, terrorist attacks.

You can say 'God helped me , you cant understand ' but sry guys if you need a stupid story to live by, the so called word of god allah or whatever...those stories were just created to pass along the answers to unexplicable phenomena. Today all those things have been explained and i believe social awareness is a lot higher now than back then (except for some countries).

Belief in hell was the ultimate kiddie level story to make people behave, since police and such was not as high level as now.

I'm living without god. Only the most humanist solution ever. I contribute more than religion does.

Why are you immediately assuming that all religions are man-made?
sorry to disappoint you but even using your logic there's a probability that God exists, assume that there's a God and he wants you to behave so he makes you go to heaven, now, does all religions still look like they're man-made?

btw: saying that religion is made to explain unexplainable phenomenas doesn't apply on Islam, am ready to tell you why if you would like to know.

religious differences has killed more people on this planet than anything else. It has led to abuse of power, terrorist attacks.

It has led to? it's not the religion's fault, it's the people's fault if they abuse their religion or if they don't know anything about it and act like they are commanded(like Muslim terrorists).

I bet that you can't find any religion telling people that killing is good/allowed/wanted.

I contribute more than religion does.

I bet you do, but the problem is, how you/atheists define "contributing", the feeling of being good or being bad will fade away by time... when religions disappear(Hadith).