04-11-2011, 05:21 PM
In quantum mechanics before something is measured it exists in this weird "twilight zonish" limbo state of being in several states all at the same time. (this is how particles can be in more than one place at one time in quantum physics).
When we measure the wave-function it takes on only one of these states such that we don't actually observe the weird limbo state directly itself -just it's effects.
Now in the case of the wave-function of the universe there is no physical observer or measuring apparatus outside of the universe to measure and collapse it's wave-function. If there was it wouldn't be the physical universe anymore (physical universe = set of all physical things -including measuring apparatuses, physical observerse etc.).
As such the universe's wave-function could by definition not collapse by anything physical outside measuring it. thus it has to be self-collapse.
@ Daniel , "guy in the sky" was never literarly interpretated in the Bible and no, we dont say *God was mad so he let him die* or earthquake stuff and all. if someone is saying that, then he doesnt know the real meaning of God and u cant judge God like a normal human and say what he's doing right now. we have a life given, now we need to use it wisely, everything repays. all the bad causes, everything. and ur faith in God does not slow down the Technology, TRUE Religion(the way it is meant to be) helps poor people and dont u say that's gone, it isn't. most protestants do that only and are not really affected by high priests management much. most of them keep faith for themselves, because they dont really have to prove much to other people, because some of Atheists really bother too much about Religion, but what for? perhaps doubts, but in their faith thats fighting for existance of nothing and that's not logical. and if ure talking about religion slowing down technology then ure not talking about Religion but perhaps modified Religion by their own taste. as u can see, obviously it can be scientificly explained, but as long as it fits in. what you can do is keep Faith in God for ur self and not for others, being religious because of parents is not true faith. sometimes, that makes u "push" the religion away once u grow up. and obviously most of religious people know why they believe in God, like I do. Jesus, God will not give u gifts with no reason. u have to show ur patience and loyality first.
shortly, u belive because u want to with a good reason. its for ur self only, not for the others as Grim mentioned.
When we measure the wave-function it takes on only one of these states such that we don't actually observe the weird limbo state directly itself -just it's effects.
Now in the case of the wave-function of the universe there is no physical observer or measuring apparatus outside of the universe to measure and collapse it's wave-function. If there was it wouldn't be the physical universe anymore (physical universe = set of all physical things -including measuring apparatuses, physical observerse etc.).
As such the universe's wave-function could by definition not collapse by anything physical outside measuring it. thus it has to be self-collapse.
@ Daniel , "guy in the sky" was never literarly interpretated in the Bible and no, we dont say *God was mad so he let him die* or earthquake stuff and all. if someone is saying that, then he doesnt know the real meaning of God and u cant judge God like a normal human and say what he's doing right now. we have a life given, now we need to use it wisely, everything repays. all the bad causes, everything. and ur faith in God does not slow down the Technology, TRUE Religion(the way it is meant to be) helps poor people and dont u say that's gone, it isn't. most protestants do that only and are not really affected by high priests management much. most of them keep faith for themselves, because they dont really have to prove much to other people, because some of Atheists really bother too much about Religion, but what for? perhaps doubts, but in their faith thats fighting for existance of nothing and that's not logical. and if ure talking about religion slowing down technology then ure not talking about Religion but perhaps modified Religion by their own taste. as u can see, obviously it can be scientificly explained, but as long as it fits in. what you can do is keep Faith in God for ur self and not for others, being religious because of parents is not true faith. sometimes, that makes u "push" the religion away once u grow up. and obviously most of religious people know why they believe in God, like I do. Jesus, God will not give u gifts with no reason. u have to show ur patience and loyality first.
shortly, u belive because u want to with a good reason. its for ur self only, not for the others as Grim mentioned.
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