"The wave function of the universe is self collapsing. (hawking did not say that btw, he just discussed the idea 'the wave function of the universe' separately from the idea of a collapsing universe, it is just a theory, because everything in this world can be reduced to PHYSICAL waves, not probability wave functions which is completely different) Nevertheless, this theory is just an assumption; Please read Brian Greene's books"
Yes the collapsing universe is a model that says that the universe will converge in a Big Crunch at some end point. I don't buy that model myself but yeah that's different from wave-function collapse.
"self collapsing wave functions are minds. Coolio, self collapsing wave functions are not physical, they just tell something about probability, so it's more like a descriptive mathematical tool, so claiming that a mathematical probability function is a mind...hmmm read orch or again please. A mind can be interpreted to where self collapsing wave functions apply, self collapsing wave functions as a property of the mind"
Ok, basically what they are doing here is technically correct as far as the math is concerned, but personally that just proves to me that the universe reduces to Platonic non-material stuff. The direct problem with their way of going about it though is that they would have to explain a way a whole host of phenomena that require the wave-function to be real. I mean we obviously see the affect of wave-like behavior in a whole variety of QM experiments. However this isn't good enough for them because we can never see the wave itself -which is rank positivism (we can't see it so it doesn't exist -even if we have all the evidence in the world for it.)
I've attached this video here you can bounce off them if u deny the reality of the wave-function."
Dear Positivists: Who's The Quantum Mystic Now?
well, well, well Johaan Rules and his reputation says everything.
sure, i have faith and i wont force u to believe, i have my own reasons like u have ur owns, im sure we both have good reasons.
Yes the collapsing universe is a model that says that the universe will converge in a Big Crunch at some end point. I don't buy that model myself but yeah that's different from wave-function collapse.
"self collapsing wave functions are minds. Coolio, self collapsing wave functions are not physical, they just tell something about probability, so it's more like a descriptive mathematical tool, so claiming that a mathematical probability function is a mind...hmmm read orch or again please. A mind can be interpreted to where self collapsing wave functions apply, self collapsing wave functions as a property of the mind"
Ok, basically what they are doing here is technically correct as far as the math is concerned, but personally that just proves to me that the universe reduces to Platonic non-material stuff. The direct problem with their way of going about it though is that they would have to explain a way a whole host of phenomena that require the wave-function to be real. I mean we obviously see the affect of wave-like behavior in a whole variety of QM experiments. However this isn't good enough for them because we can never see the wave itself -which is rank positivism (we can't see it so it doesn't exist -even if we have all the evidence in the world for it.)
I've attached this video here you can bounce off them if u deny the reality of the wave-function."
Dear Positivists: Who's The Quantum Mystic Now?
well, well, well Johaan Rules and his reputation says everything.
sure, i have faith and i wont force u to believe, i have my own reasons like u have ur owns, im sure we both have good reasons.
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