[Serious Discussion] Religion

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Grim link=topic=28190.msg381814#msg381814 date=1302098496]
Religion is based on faith. If you truely believe, you do NOT need proof. No matter what science says, you should stay true to your beliefs.

If one does not believe because of faith, then you should not attempt to disprove it, becausec you will be baised. What you should do is continue your faith and leave the proving and disproving for people who truely seek the truth and not for those who want to make the evidence fit their beliefs. And that's exactly what you and ur videos are doing styla, making todays evidence fit your beliefs. Thats basically what all those vids are about.

Belief in God is based on faith
Faith doesn't need to be proven
Anyone who tries to prove it, doesn't believe.

"Those of stronger faith or conviction, those who have experienced God and/or Jesus personally, those who are not into thought and mind control but believe in voluntary belief and worship have no need or desire to prove or disprove anything. It is not necessary to believe literally in every word to benefit from the reading and study of the bible. As such it is to be interpreted, our personel truth gleened from its pages and accepted for what it is, a collection of works written by numerous different people and interpreted from three seperate ancient languages into english. These people may or may not have been devinely inspired; but it doesn't matter. It, the bible, does not have to be literally word for word true to guide, teach and inspire us. " -Religious man

All I can say is, as you already stated urself, you have doubts. And you have doubts for a reason. Your belief or faith is so weak, that it can not stand up under any scrutiny. Thus you must believe absolutely in the literal interpretation of the bible without question or your whole belief system and power base will fall apart. The bible has alot of contradictions, yet you must profess to believe in it as it is the only proof or basis of your belief in God. People (in general) therefore feel that they must counter or disprove any and all theories that contradict the bible, and the theory of evolution is the most basic and vurnerable of the lot as it stricks right at the heart of their belief in their own religion.

Religion does not need to be proven, because thats not what religion is about, at all. If you think so I think you should read the bible (again?).
Using science to prove religion is doing something that you should not. The bible is not based on facts and scientific proofs. The bible is a book of stories and wisdom that contains truth and morals, allegory and metaphor as well as parables. How one reads them and understand them varies from person to person, and one of the cases here is people using science to prove religion is true, like you are doing styla.

Science isn't a theory open to scrutinization. It is a method, an idea, a philosophical approach of how to come by truth. Now if religious people wish to use that method, then they may do a lot of things, but one thing they may not do, is disprove it. What they are actually trying to disprove, is commonly held scientific theories. The most obvious problem in the criticisms that come from the religious people, is that they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory. Evolution replaced creationism because evolution explained stuff which creationism just fudged over. Evolution is a theory, creation isn't. Evolution replaced creation because it is better.

I can tell it's quite obvious you lost the strong faith u once had, desperately trying to prove everything the bible says is true by using science.
If you again reply in some dumb manner starting with "Here comes grim again the dumbass debater" Im simply gonna ignore what you're saying.

starting another theme again without bothering to answer? thats fine with me, easy point.

now, obviously its based on faith, and obviously thousands of people got reasons to belive, like me and a damn good one. its not like i get money from it or im brain washed, G r i m!


"And that's exactly what you and ur videos are doing styla, making todays evidence fit your beliefs." - today's evidence? thousands of years old is like "today" for u? Interesting.


"your belief or faith is so weak, that it can not stand up under any scrutiny. Thus you must believe absolutely in the literal interpretation of the bible without question or your whole belief system and power base will fall apart. " - how can u judge my belif/faith without knowing me? another fail trying to prove something that u cannot. indeed, i did have doubts but they're even weaker now, like everyday.. I like the truth.


"The bible has alot of contradictions, yet you must profess to believe in it as it is the only proof or basis of your belief in God. People (in general) therefore feel that they must counter or disprove any and all theories that contradict the bible, and the theory of evolution is the most basic and vurnerable of the lot as it stricks right at the heart of their belief in their own religion." - Evolution does not harm Religion, because ive studied evolution and still do and its funny that the people that support evolution call Bible a fairytale  and if u want to know why i find evolution ridicolous, just ask lulz


"Using science to prove religion is doing something that you should not. The bible is not based on facts and scientific proofs. The bible is a book of stories and wisdom that contains truth and morals, allegory and metaphor as well as parables. How one reads them and understand them varies from person to person, and one of the cases here is people using science to prove religion is true, like you are doing styla. "
- oh u ignored my last post. it just proves ur arguments on "people were too dumb" and next to it "fairytale wrote by man" , but this is the best proof to deny both of the "facts", since it was impossible for people at that time to describe the mentioned things in my previous evidences or INTERPRETATE them anyhow, since they DID NOT and COULDNT see them. Religion brings science together or science brings religion together, goes both wise.


"Science isn't a theory open to scrutinization. It is a method, an idea, a philosophical approach of how to come by truth. Now if religious people wish to use that method, then they may do a lot of things, but one thing they may not do, is disprove it. What they are actually trying to disprove, is commonly held scientific theories. The most obvious problem in the criticisms that come from the religious people, is that they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory. Evolution replaced creationism because evolution explained stuff which creationism just fudged over. Evolution is a theory, creation isn't. Evolution replaced creation because it is better.
" - indeed, u cant disprove Science but Big Bang is a theory and so is Evolution and as u said, science isn't theory. therefore, u cant judge it!

"they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory" ORCH-OR theory, what do u say about that in my previous topic? one of the best ways to prove God and trust me, Science is already doing some chances about it. not all the Christians support Creationism in the "way" it is too.


" Evolution is a theory, creation isn't." - that made no sense, evolution relies on creation? xD if u mean creationism, then obviously that's a theory too, no sense again.


"I can tell it's quite obvious you lost the strong faith u once had, desperately trying to prove everything the bible says is true by using science. " - woaw, getting personal there! my faith is getting stronger and stronger.

"If you again reply in some dumb manner starting with "Here comes grim again the dumbass debater" Im simply gonna ignore what you're saying." - thats what u did in last post, since u obviously couldnt dis-verify my claims. byebye!