[Serious Discussion] Religion

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How can energy (if we talk about pure energy) is a must for evolution? Only various FORMS of energy are necessary and it's obvious.
And tornado isn't energy -.-
Tornado isn't even a closed system (like Universe is), plus the conditions are bad for living things.
But you know, if the whole Universe was a giant tornado with all the elements and everything, after years, life would probably form (adaptation).

Without energy there would be no Big Bang theory, didnt i say enough? and the tornado is just an example, i was talking about energy complexion which can be organised but  can't create organisation, that tottaly disleads evolution. that is a MUST.

ok so 0target0, typically you got off the theme, and you call yourself a good debater.. getting personal indeed

there is more than one law in thermodynamics - ofcourse there are did i deny that? NO, so dont bother! HA! they are all applicable indeed, and they are confirm that evolution cannot be 100 %, not even 60 %, but evolution can be theory that leads to something that MIGHT of happen, but as i said, complex energy cant create organisation or so called intelligent design, even if there are 10 billions of years, we could not get to that stage as we are now.

"Consider the maximum entropy-minimal energy postulate, this is an optimum and thus can create organisation" - the complexion of the energies was needed for evolution and thats what theory states, that can BE organised but cannot create organisation and even if it can only to some point, we're on far too complex stage.

youre talking about thermodynamics urself, im talking about the law of eternal energy, not the law fully itself.

and ure talking about science crushing religion at some point. but as i stated, on afterlife view so far the Science did not breach it. if u read like 2 pages before this post, i did state why the Afterlife possibility has gone to the limit where it's taken as a serious debate.

"Disagreement about religious views is what most wars have been fought about during the ages. I strongly believe that there is no end to this discussion on this forum and it will only end in a fight again." - are u talking about Old Christianity and the time when Christ was alive? not really, but if ure talking about middle age then obviously people didnt want to be manipulated like today, so? obviously ure starting to ask 4k years from that if it really happent due to manipulations etc. that happent 2k ago.

"For me it's just fine what people believe in, just think to how you contribute to the world by believing." - indeed, thats why the way i belive is my personal thing, i did do a research if i even should belive and if its not a fairytale but as long as i personally know why am i doing this there shouldnt be a problem?

did i get personal? nope but i personally dont think u can know much if u think the time of Jesus was the time of religion's massive abuse, because u cannot COMPARE that at all.