[Serious Discussion] Religion

[[SWK]Dacads]

Dacads, I'm really struggling trying to find out what your actual point of view is. You say that you don't believe in God, and don't believe in science. Then what the hell do you believe in? Pedo Bears?

And where did I say I don't believe in God or science? 

Should have gone to specsavers son..

So you're an ex-muslim but afraid to tell anyone?

Also how can you not believe in pedo bears? I'm really struggling atm man..

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well kaboom  ypu think i didn't open my mined and i am the brain washed one
well i have been joining such discussions for many years . my brain never stoped thinking about it and i am not like many others . give me ur phone and if there is a chance to come to egypt i can make u discuss with soneone i know
i am sure you will find answers for all wat u know

for durr so tell me sir from where shall i know about science
and do u really think that human brain is ultimate and has no limits?

Well, start from Darwin's Theory of Evolution and Big Bang Theory. Not a couple of sentences for each of those but study them in depth.

[[SWK]Dacads]

Thousands of scientists don't believe in the big bang nor evolution theory..

ELABD isn't going to change his views so no point trying to tell him/people in general what to do as they will believe what they want to

[Shark]

Islam, where shooting stars are missiles shot by Allah to kill the demons (which he created himself).

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for durr so tell me sir from where shall i know about science
and do u really think that human brain is ultimate and has no limits?

Paying attention in High School, University, self studying (deeply), serious books.

I don't think human brain has no limits, I was just wondering if you have really worked out the entropy of a head-sized black hole to calculate the amount of information you can store into it.

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well I also found that everything has a limit and human brain also and found that there is a maximum limit of knowledge that we can't pass
so whatever we discover there will be more.

I agree when you say the human brain has a limit, but we would die way before we reach that limit.

I wouldn't say there is a "maximum limit of knowledge" because, collectively, the knowledge we obtain is unlimited. One brain can't hold all knowledge, but over 7 billion brains combined would make it pretty damn close.

"Whatever we discover there will be more" Is not to say future generations will discover things we will never know about. If we ("we" meaning the human species) could live on indefinitely, I think it would be possible to discover "everything", it just takes time.

I mean no offence, this is just my own opinion.

[Maddolis]

Dacads link=topic=28190.msg436977#msg436977 date=1360692868]
Thousands of scientists don't believe in the big bang nor evolution theory..

What?
Ridiculously stupid comments like that require ridiculously good evidence to support them.

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What?
Ridiculously stupid comments like that require ridiculously good evidence to support them.

Well, I would say not scientists in general. Obviously an astronomer (big bang theory) or biologist (evolution) would believe in what they are studying.

I am a medical student, and some of my class mates are religious and don't believe in the big bang theory, however they do believe in evolution.

So it comes down to what type of scientist they are.  There are several types of sciences: Medical science, geology, chemistry, psychology, archaeology, zoology, meteorology, engineering; and that's just a few of them.

He also said "thousands", which is far from the total. In the US alone, there is over 500,000 scientist jobs. So worldwide, there is roughly 10 million scientist jobs.
TBH, I think his estimate of "thousands" is significantly low.

[KaBooM]

Dacads link=topic=28190.msg436971#msg436971 date=1360688022]
And where did I say I don't believe in God or science? 

Should have gone to specsavers son..

So you're an ex-muslim but afraid to tell anyone?

Also how can you not believe in pedo bears? I'm really struggling atm man..

Dacads link=topic=28190.msg436858#msg436858 date=1360523135]
Who said anything about religion?

There's people that don't believe in God nor science as the explanation of how life started

We have to keep all sides of the argument something not many are capable of thus why we move backwards as a race rather than forward

The way you phrased that post made me believe that.

Also, if you knew that you will get thrown away by your own family and community and that they will cut every relation they have with you, and that you may even have a very high possibility of getting your head cut off. Would you dare to say a word? I don't think so.

well kaboom  ypu think i didn't open my mined and i am the brain washed one
well i have been joining such discussions for many years . my brain never stoped thinking about it and i am not like many others . give me ur phone and if there is a chance to come to egypt i can make u discuss with soneone i know
i am sure you will find answers for all wat u know

for durr so tell me sir from where shall i know about science
and do u really think that human brain is ultimate and has no limits?

Well, yea. That's what I believe. Most Muslims who were born Muslims are actually in the religion because that's what they were taught since they were kids. Now don't go around telling me, "I chose to become a Muslim on my own because I used my brain!". That's a lie, if you really used your brain you won't be a Muslim, unless you are extremely stupid or have an extreme lack of common sense, which I hope is not the case.

I've been into discussions with atheists and Christians for a long time, maybe like 4 years. I'm actually glad I had these discussions, although I'm the one who lost eventually (since I left Islam). Because otherwise, I wouldn't have known how much bullshit religion actually has. When I talked with Christians I used to laugh at most of the things they told me, but then I thought... "Islam actually has the exact same bullshit, but in a different way." So, I tried to look at Islam from a non-religious point of view, and you can guess what happened after that.

So, just how you look at Christianity as a laughable religion, try to be an atheist for 30 seconds and look at Islam as a foreign religion. Let's see what will happen now, even though I doubt that you would even dare to think as an atheist because ALLAH IS WATCHING YOUU!!!

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Dacads link=topic=28190.msg436977#msg436977 date=1360692868]
Thousands of scientists don't believe in the big bang nor evolution theory..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum