[Serious Discussion] Religion

[Munch]

if u r not religious then stop believing in him/her. follow my advice or u will end up all screwed up like me.
answer my these q's-
for our good deeds god gives us a human life n god punishes us for our wrong deeds through death.
god sends some1 in this world but kills him before he is born? or at 1 or 2 yrs when he cant do anything? if u can explain death u can explain god.
become an [glow=red,2,300]atheist[/glow]

I didn't say I believe in God, but even if I did, I don't need to be religious to believe in a God or gods. I'm more agnostic (I'm also a fan of Dr.Pepper ).

You can't exactly explain God, if you believe in a god and you worship him/her then you can defend your belief and maybe explain your ideas of a god or gods, but even then you're only explaining what you think is right.

What you're talking about is a god created by some religions that portray him as perfect, not all gods have been made out to be perfect. Older societies have had multiple gods, and even some current religions (like Hinduism) have multiple gods capable of different things.

I've already posted not so long ago on the "free will" idea and the idea of God being perfect.

The thing that always gets me with religion is the "free will" thing religious people (particularly Christians) say that God has given us. Yeah, you have free will to do whatever you want...but if God doesn't approve of it you're going to burn. That's like saying you have free will in North Korea, but if you do something that the leaders don't approve of then you're screwed.

Not exactly free will, is it?

It also means that God either failed with you if you don't do what he wants, which isn't possible because God is perfect, or he planned for you to fail him, which is bad because God is all loving yet he made you destined to burn in hell.

[Silent_Bob]

if u r not religious then stop believing in him/her. follow my advice or u will end up all screwed up like me.
answer my these q's-
for our good deeds god gives us a human life n god punishes us for our wrong deeds through death.
god sends some1 in this world but kills him before he is born? or at 1 or 2 yrs when he cant do anything? if u can explain death u can explain god.
become an [glow=red,2,300]atheist[/glow]

Death is an important part of life, without it the world would be overpopulated both with humans, animals and plants alike. It is not biased, it doesn't care whether you're young or old, just born or have lived a long and fulfilling life. Sure it's sad that a newborn baby dies but without death the world would be a bad place. I'm not saying death is great but it is necessary part of life and without it imagine how bad of a condition the world would be in.

[Tuism]

Death is an important part of life, without it the world would be overpopulated both with humans, animals and plants alike. It is not biased, it doesn't care whether you're young or old, just born or have lived a long and fulfilling life. Sure it's sad that a newborn baby dies but without death the world would be a bad place. I'm not saying death is great but it is necessary part of life and without it imagine how bad of a condition the world would be in.

Death, or energy recycling, is important, I agree. And I could only imagine the size of problems of overpopulation if we were to overcome death somehow in the future. But the fishy thing about death and the model of an all-knowing merciful God is that it's extremely contradictory, especially when God ends the life of a kid using unpreventable ways and still claim that he is the most merciful. It may seem to be necessary, but why create that 2 y/o kid in the first place.

[Silent_Bob]

Death, or energy recycling, is important, I agree. And I could only imagine the size of problems of overpopulation if we were to overcome death somehow in the future. But the fishy thing about death and the model of an all-knowing merciful God is that it's extremely contradictory, especially when God ends the life of a kid using unpreventable ways and still claim that he is the most merciful. It may seem to be necessary, but why create that 2 y/o kid in the first place.

isn't there some saying/quote from the bible "God giveth and God taketh away"? That coupled with "Everything happens for a reason". Some parents (after having lost a child to a life threatening illness) go on to do great things to help save other kids' lives with the same illness, etc. So I guess some people might argue that He/She (if there is a God/Gods) did it so that that family could help other people; a give one life to save many type of thing.

[av1]

I didn't say I believe in God, but even if I did, I don't need to be religious to believe in a God or gods. I'm more agnostic (I'm also a fan of Dr.Pepper ).

You can't exactly explain God, if you believe in a god and you worship him/her then you can defend your belief and maybe explain your ideas of a god or gods, but even then you're only explaining what you think is right.

What you're talking about is a god created by some religions that portray him as perfect, not all gods have been made out to be perfect. Older societies have had multiple gods, and even some current religions (like Hinduism) have multiple gods capable of different things.

I've already posted not so long ago on the "free will" idea and the idea of God being perfect.

well i live in India so i know very well about Hinduism-there r more superstitions than devotion.

Death is an important part of life, without it the world would be overpopulated both with humans, animals and plants alike. It is not biased, it doesn't care whether you're young or old, just born or have lived a long and fulfilling life. Sure it's sad that a newborn baby dies but without death the world would be a bad place. I'm not saying death is great but it is necessary part of life and without it imagine how bad of a condition the world would be in.

r u interested in getting killed?
from that 1 more thing-
many murderers r punished for their injustice..............
where 2 complain against sum1 who kills all?

[Silent_Bob]

r u interested in getting killed?
from that 1 more thing-
many murderers r punished for their injustice..............
where 2 complain against sum1 who kills all?

No I'm not interested in being killed but death is a essential part of life. It is needed to keep the world balanced and without it there would be chaos. The second question makes no sense, please word it differently and more clearly.

[Maddolis]

Without death there'd also be an abundance of deathcore vocalists.

[Maka]

Without death there'd also be an abundance of deathcore vocalists.

[Tuism]

Without death there'd also be an abundance of deathcore vocalists.

This legitimately seems more logical for an excuse to kill a child x)

[Maka]

I'm watching Fox news because my shitty tv gets no other news station, and in response to the horrible school shooting, they are now talking about how faith is leaving America. They are talking about god and how if America had a better relationship with christ, then maybe we would be a better society and things like this wouldn't happen.
Fuck you Fox News. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Seriously...

As horrible as it is what has happened, just how fucked up exactly is the news coverage in the US? This is just disgusting.
For the incident itself, I have no words for it. It's just fucked up.