B&A - Bassie & Adriaan! You've been cl0wned.

[Corleone]

Yo! B&A! I posted a event for you guys here - http://www.sa-mp.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Current_events

If you have any other cool events, post them or PM me. I'll gladly do it for you.

Cheers. 

[yeray]

yeray seriously, the part about the back stabbers corner also applies to you go there, shoo. You have nothing to back your words up so you're just ranting bullshit which is in no way related to B&A in general which this topic is about.

Buhu, seriously, you are the cause of all this shit... and if you know your guys... you have to know some of they think same of me.
Im sorry, i have good friends in b&a... and Buhu, you arent the good leader what you think you are...You talk about 95% of samp are immature, and dude you are the biggest immature/child of all.... You ever call the people noob, but you never want to fight... you are the noob, you are the lammer, and you are the child.

[Buhu.]

loads of moo'ing...

See there you go again, you say lots of crap about me without backing it up at all. You say I'm a lamer but yet I never fight, so please explain to me how can I lame when I don't fight... And I'm a n00b... Ok how did you come to that conclusion; when I was standing on the ship? See yeray I know you're a good guy but by back stabbing me you got to see my other side. Learn to live with it but for fucks sake leave this topic to B&A related stuff, if you want to bash and flame me create a fucking topic and do it there.

[yeray]

you are right with one thing... that isnt the place for discuss this, but i still thinking the same, and yes i can show you with dates how you was planing get b&a a clan before we start BB.
We can continue this discussion where you want, but all what i saying its right, i dont lie.
Sorry for all this posts

[Buhu.]

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First of all I have no idea about why you bring this up... You seem to think I denied this or something? Let me tell you, that is exactly the reason why we (RSole and I) reacted so strongly when BB was created.

The people we have been playing with for nearly a full year, which we shared our ups and downs with, decided to go around our backs without a word beforehand and create their own clan because they couldn't get it their way. And instead of just leaving it with you three starting a new clan, you decide to take loads of players out of B&A and O&B with you. Way to go.

And this was especially painful in the case of Turkey because, like you stated, we (B&A) were already planning to form into a clan and he was PART of that plan and very aware of it. But obviously this didn't go fast enough for his likings or whatever so he back stabs his fellow leaders.

And you blame me for all this shit? You must be kidding.

[Ronald_McDonald]

I'd have to say that 90% of the content of replies from [BB] members here have no relevance whatsoever. They appear to be directed more towards using things that have happened in the past as ammunition to instigate some sort of flame war on these forums.

...tomozj... dont get happy for this victory, hehe, you know you are the more easy to kill from your clan?? think it..
BTW: if i dont remember bad...wazza isnt the guy who used Ronald_McDonlads nick in others forums, and becouse this he changed his name??  and he was helping you.....

tomozj is a co-leader of B&A and has every right to be "happy" with the clan's outcome if he wants to in any wars that take place. His own fighting ability compared to anyone else's within the clan is irrelevant. The other point you keep trying to use as some kind of attack is with wazza using my old nickname. Frankly, this is none of your business, but for the record I've discussed this with wazza and it's in the past as far as I'm concerned. I'm not the type to hold a grudge against people and by actually communicating the matter was resolved. It was actually the lack of communication between a member and the leaders of B&A that resulted in us finding out about [BB] after it was created. Obviously, by that time it's too late to discuss anything, and this is why Buhu and I were so annoyed about this. It's made even worse by the fact we've been allies for such a long time and I thought we would always discuss any changes that could affect the alliance. Perhaps you didn't realise what you were doing could of had the implications that it did, but with a little thought beforehand I'm sure you would of reached that conclusion.

Again, the stuff Jamee mentioned about Buhu is in the past and irrelevant. Why stoop so low as to making references to Buhu's activities on the B&A Gang server in this topic? Really, it's obvious you're clutching at straws here to find other reasons to have a dig at us.

Yeray, what's the point of posting results of some fight club matches you've had this evening? It's not really necessary. Your conclusion "the next time think the things before say it" doesn't have much relevance here as we were talking about the clan war we had, not fight club matches. I'm not going to put a figure on who won and who lost because both sides had their share of winning and losing, but I surely recall defending for longer rather than attacking.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed with some of the replies I've seen here from [BB].

[Ben]

Im sorry to post here not being part of [BB] nor [BA], but i hate to see this argueing between two of the best gangs/clans in LVP over some misunderstanding.

From what iv read, its obvious to see you guys are just trying to ge tthe better of each other. I mean come on, look at each other, B&A and OnB are the two most highly respectable gangs on LVP, you guys have been allies for months and your letting this happen.
I have screenshots from around every 5-10 seconds of the gang war yesterday and in every one of them some one was flaming another.
I can understand boths sides of the argument and it must be annoying to think you have been back stabbed by a gang you felt you could trust but you all really need to just calm it down and look at the facts, couldn't you all just stop talking about who owns who and who and stuff. Its not fighting which kept this allience strong.
About Buhu cheating: Your calling Buhu lame because he cheated on another server?, if you feel that it is against some sort of rule then why does every gang/clan use bug abuse in clan wars?. I can garnuntee every single person does it. Im not going to lie though, if i was told to use bug abuse on another server for a gang/clan, i wouldn't think twice about it.

Lastly, i just want to tell you all how much i am really unhappy with the amount of shit you guys were talking about yesterday, you all disgraced yourself infront of all the other players of Las Venturas Playground, and i hope you think about that.

Ben 

[FiRe aka Jamee]

I dont wanna read this all...i havent that much time sorry buhu cause i already know that u got the right on your side but only in your view that is my personal opinion(anyway im not the onlyone who thinks that).....

@tomozj:What would happed if Buhu werent an admin on the server?i think he would never kill someone...thats a kind of bad leading killing the members with a minigun all the time.I think thats a normal way to get pissed of by him...or would you like it?!i dont think so...anyways hes inactive and i think thats the best way for all

[Richard]

Ok, this post will probably be not liked by most [BB] but ok.

1. About Buhu's cheating on B&A server.
Not much to say but that Buhu and I were both been doing it, he gave me that stuff because I asked him for it. Beside that, is has nothing to do with this, probably the 'anger' coming loose with the broken alliance and stuff. Moving on.

2. The whole broken alliance thing.
To be honest I fully understand B&A's response, I kinda thought myself it was bad to not tell B&A, however, no extra blame on Turkey / yeray as I didn't stand up myself and told them it was bad.

3. C&O.
Personally I was against the whole C&O stuff, I think it was mostly Turkey / yeray who wanted it. Though that I don't really think this is an 'answer' to B&A's no. Turkey / yeray and I all 3 wanted a bit more action, B&A / OnB and CT were all 3 quite inactive @ LVP , our home. We decided to make [BB]. I thought at first that it wouldn't affect the B&A / OnB relation as it was a clan, more then just LVP. After all, I / we should've thought a bit longer and realize it actually was affecting it.

4. Disappointment.
I am quite disappointed in the way all this shit went.. I kinda hoped B&A and [BB] could be allied, I know this is probably never going to happen. And the way stuff has gone, it's not going to be possible either.

5. B&A.
B&A's reaction wasn't really weird to me, I saw it coming. To be honest, I think I would've done the same as them. We did went around their backs and did it, thought it wasn't my intention, I did do it. I'm, after all, disappointed in myself for it.

Not much more to say atm, maybe I forgot some post but we'll notice soon enough if so. I think I said enough for now.

estroe

[tomozj]

I ask benbmyers to not get involved, as you don't know all of the facts (nothing personal).

I dont wanna read this all...

If you don't want to read all he has to say, don't mention it.

@tomozj:What would happed if Buhu werent an admin on the server?i think he would never kill someone...thats a kind of bad leading killing the members with a minigun all the time.I think thats a normal way to get pissed of by him...or would you like it?!i dont think so...anyways hes inactive and i think thats the best way for all

If he wasn't an admin then he'd still minigun lol, I don't mind/care. Now, I ask that you guys stop bringing up irrelevant stuff such as the gang server (something we try not to talk about on the LVP forums), and get back to the point at hand, which is?

We broke the alliance, and we have our reasons. Nothing really needs to be said, yet you still attempt to clear the shit off your name - the damage has already been done.

Save yourself the trouble, and don't bother replying - everyone would benefit.