[Serious Discussion] Religion

[durrrrr]

not exactly RADIO WAVES part, but it does interpretate that but read it urself:

Well, here we go. No solid proofs, just an abstract interpretation.

Paralleling something like "When the morning stars sang together..." with radio signal 

Not even worth commenting others.
You never can take an interpretation as a solid proof.

[STyL4]

this is just a PROOF u dont read my posts, read what i said in my proof providing Bible miracles..

the one with radio wave, could not find it but its something like : they will be able to communicate through waves in the air, or DONT remember. but u dont have to take it as a "proof", because those facts up there were pretty much enough. and if u say they are interpretation, then good game, but its pretty much obvious what it means unless you are dumb.

[Maka]

Really now? Where are the facts that he is apparently all of that? You're again nowhere.

Btw, another one for you: what kind of power? How many watts? How perfect is perfect perfection? Et cetera?

Emotion is the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical and environmental influences

[0Target0]

I want predictions. Not interpretation by people who live today, and narrow a broad statement down to something specific, the world image that we have today. I find it hard to believe that 'true' christians who claim they decoded the bible today can't make any predictions, since they give credibility to the statements they give now and claim that they are true. It is proof that this it uttermost rubbish if they cannot make any predictions.

Plz enlighten me

If you believe in god, ORVAL! you dumbass

[STyL4]

Really now? Where are the facts that he is apparently all of that? You're again nowhere.

Btw, another one for you: what kind of power? How many watts? How perfect is perfect perfection? Et cetera?

obviously ure the one asking questions, and let me tell u a LOGO for you:

if you could wrap your minds around God you would be God.

obviously if hes ur creator and if he's all of that, u could not answer everything about him unless u would be God and equal to him. that is what RELIGION is based on(that he is all of that - its what we belive in, if he wasnt that then no religion gg) and yet again, if u say :"not real bullshit, fairytale etc." then start reading from page 1.


i suggest u to see what ORCH - OR is , then u can see weather God is all of that or not.


"Plz enlighten me" - i did, u were just too dumb to listen. u should go to debate contest u know that? a debater number 1 would provide u all of those, and what u would say would be : NO its not that, ITS that - provide me THAT now! and even if u take it as interpretations(so not logical) it made no sense at that time.

denial and questioning is taking u nowhere, thats what.

"Emotion is the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical and environmental influences" - what if someone CREATES emotion? hah. its called : being able to be equal.

[0Target0]

I want predictions. Not interpretation by people who live today, and narrow a broad statement down to something specific, the world image that we have today. I find it hard to believe that 'true' christians who claim they decoded the bible today can't make any predictions, since they give credibility to the statements they give now and claim that they are true. It is proof that this it uttermost rubbish if they cannot make any predictions.

Answering that you coding is not good enough is retarded. The people in those videos claim its so called proof, you cannot answer my request, thus all you previous proof claims are invalid. So please go home. You are already trying to get personal because you cannot answer the above question. I will keep asking it untill you can give me a verse and say what it predicts scientifically for us in the future. If you are not answering it or avoiding it, it a sign that you know its impossible to answer.

If you believe in god! ORVAL! You cannot deny it! Youre dumb!

[Maka]

Outside of the actual subject, I'll tell you this: Please make more proper replies because the one's you've created so far are a real pain in the ass to read and even turn the viewer down to continue reading, thus: No one is taking you seriously at all.
It's just plain annoying barely noticing who you're actually replying to.

Now, I believe I once again asked to provide facts to the subject. Of course I asked a question. Emotions are something individuals (human beings or other living creatures) experience. An individual that isn't alive can not experience emotions. Nor can something that isn't an individual experience them.
As God is not an individual, how can he then experience emotions, something only living creatures are able to do? Stating "he created everything" and whatever doesn't quite cut it.

Just for the sake of information, I'll just throw it in that I'm a Christian, so there's no need to explain any more stuff seeing I've had religious classes for somewhat eight years before they turned into more general classes, during this latter part of my study-life.

A second note:

what if someone CREATES emotion? hah. its called : being able to be equal.

This doesn't make any sense.

[STyL4]

since ure not as bright as i thought, i'll use some "scientist's words" to fill ur question:

U DONT HAVE TO READ IT ALL TO UNDERSTAN, I SUGGEST U TO READ THE LAST ARTICLE.

- he created us indeed and emotion with us aswell

"... imply that God changes, and that what we do affects God.  So, we must concede, contrary to classical theism (the argument continues), that God changes and is affected by our actions"

"God is indeed personal, and knows and loves us, but we simply cannot assume that what is true of human persons, knowledge and love (which involve change and dependence) is true of the divine persons and knowledge and love. To make that assumption, as process and open theists blithely do, is to compromise God’s transcendence.  "

"Jesus is both God(ADDED: some of them would argue about that) and man, fully divine and fully human.  So, Jesus has human emotions: joys, desires, fears, sadnesses, and so on.  The Christian faith holds that Jesus is one divine person but with two natures, human and divine.[4]  I do not wish here to examine in detail this central dogma (since I will concentrate on the question of whether God has emotions in his divine nature), but briefly the following should be said.  A person is an intelligent and free subject of actions, a morally responsible agent.[5]  A nature is the intrinsic source of characteristic actions, that by which or with which one acts.  In Christ, the one who acts is God himself, so he is a divine person.  But Christ can act by  his divine nature or by his human nature (or by both).  Thus, after the Incarnation, literally, God does suffer as we suffer, he does have emotions as we have emotions, since it is the person who has the emotions, even though he has these emotions by his human nature.  "


"God’s transcendence, that is, the infinite difference between his perfection and ours, did, from our angle, make approaching him difficult, certainly somewhat frightening.  God became man, however, and we humans can now be personally united to God, brought within the divine family (the Trinity), in Jesus Christ.  So, if one complains that the classical theist’s God seems too different from us, and therefore difficult to approach, I believe it is fair to answer that God in his divine nature is difficult to approach, and it is partly for that reason that God became man."

"God does delight in his goodness and loves his creatures, but this cannot be interpreted as meaning that God is changed by, or different because of, his creatures"


if u say perfection cannot have none of these:

"He has pefect love, balanced with justice. He will never let his love for mankind exceed a need for judicial punishment.

He has perfect hate, balanced with love, mercy and justice. He hates what is bad, but extends forgiveness for those who repent, and extends adequate judgement for those who don't. His love extends the mercy of forgiveness.

He has perfect jelousy as he demands exclusive devotion, but allows mankind to make the choice on their own using their free will.

Read more: Does God have emotions? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/299850#ixzz1J6uem9ME"


just some thoughts...


"The bible says that god experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness.

We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden.

In contrast, the omniscient god is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.

Furthermore, humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing.

As such, an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible. And ironically, the bible itself handily disproves the existence of the Christian "god"."

[STyL4]

@0target0 let me reject u once again!. what proof did u provide? none, u just yap yap yap with ur big mouth and flame if "needed".

please go and deny ORCH-OR, please do that. i can happily tell u that u cant and its impossible. atheist's worst nightmare. accurate and scientific proof. now please go make another post how fail this proof is because everything from ur mouth is catastrofic(atleast this post), for once if u want to reject proofs(which is impossible, interpretation excuse is the funniest ever) , then do it with another proofs, since ure such a pro debater.

"Answering that you coding is not good enough is retarded" - u dont need to know the Christian coding itself to understan Bible, nice to see u going all hateful on me, makes me think about the debate. 


"You are already trying to get personal because you cannot answer the above question" - personal like "retarded, youre dumb, " etc.? for the win debate!  actually as u could tell , u were the one that could not deny my proofs, about the questions i answered them all.


"If you are not answering it or avoiding it, it a sign that you know its impossible to answer." - who avoids ORCH - OR and alot of quotes i gave? what u do is reject without proofs that rely on, therefore youre laughable. denial is debater's worst nightmare.

[Maka]

How old are you, twelve? What the fuck do you not understand about the word 'proof', since you AGAIN for like the tenth time already FAILED to post PROOF?
How do you even think ANY of us are able to respond in any other way to you?

Looking back at my first reply in this topic, we've come to that moment. This entire topic is, as I and others stated, turning into a complete joke.

I'm not going to discuss this subject further with you for obvious reasons, but I'll state a few more points:

1) God is not personal because he is not a PERSON.
2) God has no emotions as he is not a living creature, thus he can not be affected by any of our actions.
3) Feelings have always lead to biased decisions, thus that would make God imperfect.
4) Jesus it NOT "a God".
5) Everything you stated can be possibly made up by anyone on our planet who has ever lived. Thus, this entire story may as well be a bad film, which it could very well even be.
6) You state humans have a perfection. There is no perfect human, so how can God have infinite perfection? This also has a direct link to point three, as having feelings makes you imperfect. How on earth can you have perfect love and perfect hate? Emotions are never perfect.
7) God is apparently the best damn thing certain people have got to known, so how could he POSSIBLY be jealous of anything or anyone? That just doesn't make sense.
8 ) Don't link me to a stupid answerbag page.
9) How do you explain your omnipotent God being able to fix anything we cannot fix? Is he planning on fixing the plate tectonics too whereof earthquakes occur?
10) And to complete this post, why did your God even create the planets this way, consisting of plates and layers? If he's so 'perfect', then why did he not create a perfect planet?

To conclude everything, the topic of religion will never be solved, and you, the believers, will never be able to provide anyone of real decent proof.
Everything on this planet has an explanation to it. It's just a matter of really, long, unknown time before mankind will know the entire truth about this planet. Look at it from the bright side though, it will probably never be known by anyone anyway.