HC4L clanbanned

[shoebox]

HC4L your getting a medal FUCKING YEAHH!!!!

[Terror]

In theory its just a sneaky way of the admins to get HC4L lose members untill only the real hard core of hc4l is left wich they can bann without getting other ppl pissed off.

And why is hc4l offtopic removed ?
Are the admins scared we leak information to other players wich can get them lose respect of the admins decisions>??
It seems everytime we get banned the admins try to cover it up, do they know, they will get alot of comments from the other players cauz most of the time the banns are for a crappy reason, if they dont lock or forums?
Every topic we create or if we talk about it in Irc we get banned from the channel or the topic gets locked or deleted.
Do they know what they are doing is just wrong ? And most ppl wont understand or respect their reason to bann us ?

[Richard]

There were no admins involved in this matter, so that's bullshit. Peter made this decision, and I stand by him with that decision.
We can clanban you whenever we feel necessary. It's peoples own choice to either join or not, and to leave or not.

Why? Your topic was locked, so you open another one about HC4L, but in a different section? Don't think so, locking one doesn't mean open another somewhere else on the forum.

Cover up? They see the topic anyway, nothing to cover up. 'crappy comments' will be there if they really disagree, PM inbox. I don't recall getting someone complaining about any of your bans yet. What 'crappy reasons'?

The times I banned you, it was with a reason. Everytime I locked / deleted a topic, it was with a reason.
I don't see it as wrong, so no, I don't see it.

[bomberteo]

i'm so fucking mad - WHAT the hell did i do?

i didn't do anything and then i get banned for something others did? like what the fuck, where's your sense of reality?

believe me, i'm mad at the others too but i'm so mad at you peter. I don't lame, i don't flame(much) and i've showed respect to new aswell old players. What will this help? Banning a whole clan? well i can tell you this, if i had a million dollars i would spend it on a new server where you would be banned, then you could feel how it was bein' banned for something you didn't do. I wanna play and i don't wan't to be responsible in THIS WAY for even my own gang. They are humans and i cannot control them - but killin' my fuckin' playtime sucks.

We are many in HC4L that don't even know what happened and played no particiation in it, so it's very very unfair givin' us a ban. I'm sure you will agree with me and you MUST change it.

[18/11/08] [13:56:03] !why bomberteo[HC4L]
[18/11/08] [13:56:03]   * Player log of bomberteo[HC4L] (3 items)
[18/11/08] [13:56:03] [18/11 13:32:28] (ban by estroe): Clanbanned. See forum.
[18/11/08] [13:56:03] [23/07 13:59:11] (kick by Peter): flaming
[18/11/08] [13:56:03] [15/04 23:38:45] (ban by Boteend): Ban evading (Code 1)

So i'm banned because i flammed once in july? I've only been kicked ONCE. ONCE MAN. And i know it was uncalled for but shiiit

[Richard]

As much as I like you bomb, there's nothing I can/will do now.

As bans on the individuals didn't help a single thing, ever, Peter made it a clanban. You're innocent on 99% of the things, I know. But banning them individually doesn't change a thing, bigger things must be done.

[bomberteo]

So what does it help? In my opinion NOTHING except pissing alot of players off

Give us a time on when the bans are off

[Terror]

the reason was insulting the crew
And only 1 guy insulted 1 crew member not even ingame.
So i dont see the link if the insulting is in rl. And has nothing to do with this game.
As 1 guy flames barry on msn the whole gang is being clanbanned 
Thats weak. Enough reason for the members to be pissed off. Like bomberteo
And it backsup my theory of the admins clanbanning us to lose gangmembers.

[bomberteo]

Ok, why even give a fuck enough to flame?. I don't know the deal but i'm not down with flame, either way i'm madd ass hell, so unfair

[Richard]

So what does it help? In my opinion NOTHING except pissing alot of players off

Give us a time on when the bans are off

We're trying to make them follow the rules. Or maybe we should just permban them next time, and leave the rest of the guys off. We'll see.

@Terror: It was on msn indeed, still, he's part of our crew. You could see it like this: some guy flames shoebox, what do you do? Look and laugh, or help him? Exactly, help him. Which is some sort of what we did here.

And, this surely isn't the first thing with HC4L, there's been a lot more things. Which lead to this now.

@bomberteo: It may not be fair to you, but this was a choice that has been made, as banning them in person doesn't seem to work.

[Terror]

First off, "You could see it like this: some guy flames shoebox, what do you do? Look and laugh, or help him? Exactly, help him." is weak.
There's no need for me to comment further on this weak metaphor.

Secondly, all of us in HC4L have been biased against from the beginning- and had a whole ton of crap thrown our way for the wrong reasons.
It started off with me being permbanned for racism.
Not only were numerous other players (such as [BA]OneManArmy) being over the top racist at the time, but the crap I said was barely hurtful, and joking.
(Surprise surprise OneManArmy wasn't banned, if I were in [BA] I never would've been banned yet).

More recently, we've had this "tepel" crap thrown our way.
This is complete bullshit- a [BA] fighter, [BA]Blood_Bukak has a name 50 times worse than "tepel."
If you even know what a bukkake is then you'll understand my point.
Talking about nipples is something 5 year olds do- bukkake is taboo for even adults.

We've been discriminated against over and over, and it's pure bullshit.
If the admins of this community can't judge situations dispassionately and neutrally then they can fuck off and play counter strike.
Too many times have I seen many [BA] and [BB] talk shit on forums or ingame without consequence- but when we say anything half as bad its a ban or forummute.
We're being fed this bullshit day in and day out, and its time you let us (a group of rl mates) just play around and have fun on this fucking GAME.
We are not playing at anyone elses expense, and our treatment is horrible.

This crap about us having this "poor history" and "poor attitude" is bullshit too.
Not only do [BB] [sK] and [RT] always flame ingame, they take all this bullshit to a whole new level, for example creating forums and websites to flame people.

If you do not punish them for talking crap OUT OF GAME, then you can't do the same for us on msn.
MSN is not under LVP admin juristiction, it has no relation to being ingame.
If you want to take up an argument based on an msn conversation, do it on msn.

We've faced this lousy administration for far too long, and when we made a few jokes in gangchat, we suddenly got clanbanned.
With these new flame rules (making flame more punishable in main chat ALONG WITH less punishable in pms/gangchat), we should be allowed to joke with clanmembers in gangchat.

Its time the crew stopped being e-thugs and actually enjoyed the game, along with banning cheaters and bug abusers instead of impeding on clan activities and fun.
Stop being biased and treat everybody equally- and if an admin has problems on msn let them deal with it and solve their own problems.
There's no point punishing many innocent people just to satisfy your technologically sadistic turn-ons.