[C&S]Vehicles & Possible Replacements

[TEF]

I'm tired but can't sleep, so I'm going to post again. Let's address the following...

Good reply, but you need a course on constructive (non-insulting) criticism. Dismissing people's suggestions like you did Phyc0's, calling people idiots and saying their posts are asinine are not good ways to win people over. Also, for not being interested in personal opinions of cars, you give a lot of it. Good, but I know you can do better!

First off, I want to thank you for calling my bluff. Let me explain a little bit further into detail so I can take at least some of my hypocrisy away. I am interested in your overall opinion on the vehicles, but saying stuff like, "It's my favorite car," is simply unacceptable. That's not really giving me anything else besides the fact that you like the vehicle. At least give me a reason or two. The main thing I'm looking for is effort put into posts; nothing more, but nothing less. Secondly, I want to address how you stated that I merely "dismissed" Phyc0's suggestion. What he suggested was not possible. I was doing him a favor by making sure he knew this fact. (Also, for the record, I contacted him on IRC and we had a nice little discussion about it. That way, this thread would have remained on topic, but thanks for bringing it up anyway.) Finally, you said that calling people "idiots" wouldn't help persuade them. While this is very true, the two users I insulted were the authors of said asinine posts. These two posted something so completely off-topic that they caused a shift in attention from my suggestion to a topic that was irrelevant. Wouldn't you be a little bit annoyed as well? Anyway, we're getting off on a tangent...

Moving on...

• The baggage handler was in fact in previous versions of LVP.
  
• I agree with the Broadway should be replaced with the Remington.
  
• I agree the Trashmaster should be replaced with the Phoenix.
  
• The Leviathan shouldn't be removed. It is indeed a big helicopter, but it also floats. The Maverick is agile and fast enough to fly in.
  
• The Kart was in LVP before.
  
• I agree that the Patroit needs to be added in place of the Enforcer.
  
• I agree with the Banshee and Stretch, they need to be added in place of said vehicles.
  
• I disagree with the Tampa being removed. People like it and you give no factual reason for it to be replaced.
  

Thank you for informing me of previous vehicle layouts. I sincerely appreciate it. You go on to defend the Leviathan and Tampa from being replaced. Let's start with the Tampa, though. You say I provided no factual reason for it to be replaced when in fact I did. I said (this will make it three times now) that the Tampa is hardly ever used, or, at least, I never see it being used. Whenever I see players driving by, I see them with faster, better cars; whenever I jump past a spawning point for the Tampa, it's always there. I also said that the Tampa only looks halfway decent when it's modified at the Transfenders, but anything looks better with a bit of touching up. Its performance, as stated before, remains garbage.

Moving on to the Leviathan. You say that it should be kept. Well, that's all fine and good, but why? Besides it being remarkably slow, excessively bulky, and quite fugly, there's also the matter that players can heli-kill with it without receiving a "lame kill." (Was this what you were referring to with "heli-killing gang members," estroe?) Not unlike the other vehicles on my list, this is another vehicle of which I see barely any use. I know, I know, maybe I'm getting a little too overzealous with the "they don't use it" excuse, but it's still valid. I would personally go for a server that has vehicles everyone uses, not a server that has a wide but seldom used variety. Actually, come to think of it, players do use this vehicle; however, as estroe stated earlier, it's more popular for heli-kills and gang members because they can lame without technically laming. I'm not saying this is true for all the players who use this helicopter, but it is for some.

He was just lettings yous know now to remove it in the future as a notice xD

hopefully tefs plan is gonna succeed .
but he is LVP Dictator so i guess it is gonna happen .

I'm so happy to know that none of what I said here was even read:

I'm seeing a lot of real horrible reasoning for keeping vehicles. Reasons like, "It's my favorite car," are not reasons. They're opinions. When I write up a suggestion, I take the time and effort to write up something worth reading. I also make sure to give factual data and what I've seen occur. All in all, if you don't have anything to post other than a one-liner, "favorite," or the like, don't post. I want you to take time and effort with your post. No, this does not mean that you need to write as much as I do. Quite frankly, that's a ridiculous request; however, typing up just a one-liner, especially when it's shooting down my suggestion, is frustrating to me. Why? Because I work hard on my posts and to see such a simple post with such negativity is just vexing. This doesn't mean that I want short positive posts, either. Posts like, "+1"? Yeah, keep that out of my suggestion unless you have something more to offer. I don't want simple posts just to boost post count. In conclusion, guys, just put in a bit more effort in your posts. (I've seen some of you post a considerable amount, so kudos to those who have.)

Please either post something of use or stay out of my topic. I've reported both of your posts, by the way.