[Serious Discussion] Religion

[Tuism]

i cant tell becuase i haven't read the Quran myslef.
but you saying that Isam is the "ONLY flawless" religion... its just dumb for me

i know everybody wants to convince that their religion is better but there's no such thing as a perfect religion.

Islam is perfect because it is made by the same creator who made the universe, he knows what's best for us.

Islam is the only flawless religion at THIS time, there are other true perfect books and prophets who came with perfect religions that God have sent to certain people, but they all have been changed or forgotten, Islam hasn't changed.

that might sound dumb, but how do you know it's not the truth?

[Maka]

You don't, but how do you really know it's written by your God? You don't either. Not trying to be an ass right now but that's just how it is really...

[Tuism]

You don't, but how do you really know it's written by your God? You don't either. Not trying to be an ass right now but that's just how it is really...

because Sunna(life of the prophet) can't be a fairy tale, there are very very very strong restrictions to pass on Hadiths(sayings of the prophet), in order for the Hadith to be accepted as a true Hadith, there has to be chain of narrators, each one of them has never told a lie, if it's been told that one of the narrators has ever told a lie then the whole Hadith can't be accepted as a 100% true Hadith.
there's a whole section in Islamic science that covers narrators and if they are  100% truthful or not.

also, in Hadith it self there are miracles, I know you wouldn't call it like that but... here's one for example:

these are (Hadiths)...

A Hadith is: "narration concerning the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad."

• 814. Al-Bara' ibn 'Azib said, "When the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to retire to his bed, he would lie on his right side and then say, 'O Allah, I surrender my soul to You and I turn my face to You and I entrust my affair to You and I seek Your support with hope and fear of You. There is no refuge from You but to You. I have believed in Your Book which You sent down and Your Prophet whom You sent.'" [al-Bukhari]
  

• 815. al-Bara' ibn 'Azib reported: 'The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said to me, 'Whenever you go to bed, do wudu' as you do wudu' for the prayer and then lie down on your right side. Then say...'" and he mentioned the rest of it and in it is, "Make that the last of the words that you utter." [Agreed upon]
  

• 816. 'A'isha said, "The Prophet , may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to pray eleven rak'ats at night. When it was dawn, he would pray two quick rak'ats and then lie on his right side until the mu'adhdhin came and gave the adhan." [Agreed upon]
  

• 818. Ya'ish ibn Tikhfa al-Ghifari said, "My father said, 'Once while I was lying on my stomach in the mosque, a man moved me with his foot and said, "This is a position which Allah hates."'" He said, "I looked up and it was the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace." [Abu Dawud]
  

Now let's read this: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...html?cat=5


Anyone starting to see the light?

[[SAE]Grim]

Not to break ur bubble but you dont exactly need Gods help to find out what sleep position is the best one.
That can simply be found out by sleeping urself. And just because this is from old times doesnt mean people were extremely stupid back then either.

[Silent_Bob]

besides what will happen if you don't sleep on your right side? will he smite you/(sorry bad joke) but like Grim said it's all a matter of preference, has nothing to do with God, hell I sleep on my left side, I know people who sleep on their stomach, what is that supposed to prove?

[durrrrr]

Satan will do bad things to you then.

[Tuism]

Grim link=topic=28190.msg386608#msg386608 date=1304862291]
Not to break ur bubble but you dont exactly need Gods help to find out what sleep position is the best one.
That can simply be found out by sleeping urself. And just because this is from old times doesnt mean people were extremely stupid back then either.

aha, I assume you figured it out without reading anything then?

besides what will happen if you don't sleep on your right side? will he smite you/(sorry bad joke) but like Grim said it's all a matter of preference, has nothing to do with God, hell I sleep on my left side, I know people who sleep on their stomach, what is that supposed to prove?

it's not a matter of preference, "it's been proved" that the best sleep position for your body is when you lay on your right side or on your back, and the worst for your body is when you lay on your stomach.

"The worst sleep position for brain

Lying on the stomach with the face downwards on the pillow is the worst sleeping position for the brain. This position is detrimental to the communication of several parts of the body with the brain.

The worst sleep positions for heart

Sleeping on the left side and sleeping on the stomach are the worst positions for the heart. Both of these positions not only compress the space the heart needs but also put a lot of pressure on the heart to keep on pumping the blood efficiently. In some cultures, it is a rampant idea that sleeping in these postures burdens the heart and one might experience bad dreams. My personal experience confirms it."

I wonder if any of you two has ever knew about this before today and decided to never sleep on your stomach or on your left.

I mean, really? the Prophet said that it's a position that God hates, c'mon.

[LIke]

god hates us because we can choose how to sleep?

[ELABD]

Noone said so read everything and be sure that u understand it before u post plz,

[Slice]

I feel deeply sorry for a lot of people in this topic.