In your opinion has Littlewhitey's went to shit.

[Colin_Mochrie]

And LVP doesn't allow cheaters here, its funny you mention about cheating

Don't say that [BB]Zambor/DraW/Wipflash/[sK]the_game and a bunch of [RT] and some others are all banned on LW's for cheats and they now play at LVP. The list is bigger but I forget for now.
If you are banned on 1 official for cheats you should be banned from them all.

[dannymc18]

Its admins like you that make me worry if there is really any hope on LW's.  I can guarantee that no-one that left LW's in the days I played are reject's.  And LVP doesn't allow cheaters here, its funny you mention about cheating, considering one of your management used to cheat alot on a certain Chillpoint server.  Regardless of that I don't see the point in your post at all.

I've held back from posting here, because quite frankly it's a silly topic that doesn't deserve anyone's attention, and you can see the stupidity of it by looking the people regularly posting in it.  You keep spouting crap, insulting everyone and everything around you, without any grounds for doing so, yet fail to step back and look at yourself.  I suggest you do so.

For one, things like this:
You make a topic here all fancily worded, saying you wanted reasoned debate from everyone (yet failing to do so yourself), and then complain that you cant do the same on LWs.

Well, for a start, you posted an anti-LW topic on a LW forum - makes sense, doesnt it?  And at the same time the forums are indeed heavily moderated, as they are intended to prodide information and support for the server, not an open forum to flame any other server that dares use a similar format and gamemode (and last time I checked, it was LVDM, not LVPDM, but whatever).

The point is this:

You say "oh look I make a simple topic here and LWs objects!! ABUSE!!".

I hope this doesn't get locked or deleted, this is a genuine poll about LW's.  People who have been around aslong as I have this poll is directed at you.  Other's feel free to have an opinion.  The reason I posted it here is because your opinion doesn't get silenced on LVP like it does in LW's.

I had an opinion they deleted it and banned me, pathetic.

And one of the best ones is this:

I dont want silly replies like that in this thread Darkflame no offence.  Keep it mature.

Well ok, lets have a retort to that than.  You posted the topic you did knowing it would get deleted from LWs forums, and so you could therefore bitch about it here for no good point or reason.
Well, saying you claim you wanted it to be public (when theres a fair bet you didnt), lets post some snippets shall we?

This server is pathetic.

our management is full of assholes and the admin's in this server are just added when you feel like it

I don't give a fuck what you have to say, I dont care what any of you think of me.

this server is a shambles, for 1 having a cheater in a management position is just laughable

your a pack of fucking disgrace's to this community

Now, looking at the above and then again at some of your lines, such as "I dont want silly replies like that in this thread Darkflame no offence.  Keep it mature."... well, it speaks for itself really now, doesn't it?

I could go on and on just showing how much of a hypocritical, immature shit-stirring flame-starter you are, but I wont, because I have both shown that enough in this post, and quite frankly I could not be arsed.  If anyone has genuine grievences then sure, me, and I'd like to hope the rest of LW team, are here to listen to them and try to resolve them.  However, trying to explain things to solid brick walls such as yourself gets us absolutely nowhere, and is a huge waste of our time just so you can go spreading shite and trying to act the big man again.

Same goes for the likes of

evrything is shit on that server now,and all the admins are retarded and etc.

and

This is some bullshit server. I only once played it 5minutes, and i was bored in there.

If you have something constructive to say, then please, I at least am here to listen it.  My head gets sore with the gentle whine of babies though.

And to Badeend, you're a great guy, and I respect you and all, but:

If I see another retarded post like TopGun's or DarkFlame's this topic will be locked. If you can't have any proper foundation for your rant, just don't say anything at all. It makes you look stupid.

Please, practice what you preach.

Finally, "The reason I posted it here is because your opinion doesn't get silenced on LVP like it does in LW's. "  Try posting this same topic but replacing "LW" with "LVP, and see how long you last.

Garbage like this would never be tolerated on LWs forums, and I guess it was too much to hope that a similar server would have the same policy.  The fact this topic wasnt locked straight away just makes it all the more sad and worthless.


Oh and Ryankilla: to think, I actually wanted to unban you...  thanks for letting me see the error in my ways.

[Fireburn]

Don't say that [BB]Zambor/DraW/Wipflash/[sK]the_game and a bunch of [RT] and some others are all banned on LW's for cheats and they now play at LVP. The list is bigger but I forget for now.
If you are banned on 1 official for cheats you should be banned from them all.

We don't have any pact whatsoever to share bans, we sometimes DO ask if some people are banned at each other's server, but we never shared a banlist. On LVP we just ban when we see people cheat, and the guys you mentioned have never been caught cheating on LVP.

[Colin_Mochrie]

Just keep an eye on them  specially those [sK] kids, dey love dem cheats.

[Greyfox]

ive been unbanned for 2 months, i had 6 month ban, elite huh

[Popz]

We don't have any pact whatsoever to share bans, we sometimes DO ask if some people are banned at each other's server, but we never shared a banlist. On LVP we just ban when we see people cheat, and the guys you mentioned have never been caught cheating on LVP.

I've seen people admit to cheating on LW's in the LVP VIP IRC channel. Not bug-abusers or flamers, but people who have cheated cash, health hacks, flying cars etc. LVP admins have never banned for that which quite frankly is insulting. Official servers should, in my opinion, have more respect for each other. The only ever responses I've had about such situations have been that they weren't seen cheating on LVP, or that they donated money.

Also, there was a plan pre-SAC to share bans, which was started by LVP, although most of you wont know about it.

[IDmad]

lw's was good back in the 0.1b days but gone downhill since then.
And it seems like they got a bad habit of banning all the non-asslickers from there.


nice reason lol

Shark and IDmad are 2 good examples, they bitch and cry about the server all day long, but they still make beg appeals begging to be let back on, a guess its just because they love playing there. 

dont fucking compare me to that retard and I didn't make any beg appeals like he did. I only appealed coz I got banned without a reason. And funny that I got perm banned after I had reported one of ur regulars for bug abusing 

[[SWK]Nemesis]

Live till 2200 and request a unban, just to take the piss 

Very nice post F3llah3n (or however our names spelt); made some very valid points, at the end of the day though no matter how much we dissect each others posts, nothing will come of it, it is said that LVP players don't like LW, and LW players don't like LVP, i think it should be left at that, if you feel your being abused and nothing is being done, gather some proof and expose that admin, if it is still ignored, its time to go, because your not getting fun out of the server, which is ultimately what SA:MP is for, fun, even if the place is full of inflated ego's and people calling people retards (IDmad, you don't have a clue)

-Nemesis

[Greyfox]

IDmad link=topic=17530.msg184297#msg184297 date=1235764497]
lw's was good back in the 0.1b days but gone downhill since then.
And it seems like they got a bad habit of banning all the non-asslickers from there.


nice reason lol
dont fucking compare me to that retard and I didn't make any beg appeals like he did. I only appealed coz I got banned without a reason. And funny that I got perm banned after I had reported one of ur regulars for bug abusing 

dugi banned me for beeing the best 2shotter on LW's

[Rien]

Nemesis link=topic=17530.msg184302#msg184302 date=1235765337]
Live till 2200 and request a unban, just to take the piss 
no matter how much we dissect each others posts, nothing will come of it, it is said that LVP players don't like LW, and LW players don't like LVP, i think it should be left at that, if you feel your being abused and nothing is being done, gather some proof and expose that admin, if it is still ignored, its time to go, because your not getting fun out of the server, which is ultimately what SA:MP is for, fun

-Nemesis

Amen to that