Banned - No Reload - C Bug + Sawnoff .

[Agent]

Nickname: [SWK]Agent
Date of the ban: Right now
Suspected Reason: Title
Your IP address: **.***.***.**

Very tired , didnt think too much .. Got banned - Sorry =)

[nielz]

Apparently you abused the sawnoff no-reload bug with c-bug, which is NOT allowed in this server.
You did this multiple times, and even explained to the entire server how to do it, therefore you are banned for 5 days, until monday 18th of October 11PM GMT.

You know the rules, don't join untill you are told that you are unbanned or extra days will be added.

[Agent]

Took you sometime to "slip" of this one smoothly ,

1.You banned me for "No-Reload" and you dont even got a clue what C-BUG even is  . Its sad to see your lack of
  experience and knowledge about this kind of things .


2.You was telling me multiple times that I will stay  pernament banned if
  I wont  prove you that this is a bug . So what else did
  you expect me to do ? - You need to thank me for teaching you how to do this so you will now, know not
  to do mistakes like this .


3. Why do you make it sound so bad ? "Explained to the entire server" ? - Come on you can do better than that ..All
  this time and this is the best you came up with ? There were 5 players in the server , two of them took your
  side , Weezy & BrainDeadGamer . So when I told them two , how to do this bug you quickly "announced" (after
  banning me) that its not to abuse ! - Then you kicked out Weezy -Im not here to talk about that kick but it
  wasnt a fair one at all - You know it .


4. Im finding it very sad that your here for how much now ? three years and you dont even know to separate
    between bugs & cheats or w/e .Im finding you reducing the reputation of the
    other LVP's admins & mods who are doing a great job and  if the managment will pick more players like you
    to be as crew I think its a waste of good efforts .


Just for example , lets take MacSto - the new mod (sorry for bringing you up here mate) - I bet he got a few
things that he doesnt know about LVP and SA-MP - I bet we all do . But as a moderator or admin you gotta know
the simple things that everyone can learn in about 1 month of playing , your here for 3 years and you didnt
make it , I think we can agree you failed . You just dont want to admint that you have mistaken becouse you will be embarrassed of what the other's will think about you as a moderator .

And not enough all of this , then you threatend me that this ban will be very long becouse you couldnt hear
the truth at IRC .Way to go , nielz .
I hope you didnt try this bug after I told you how to do it , becouse then .. you know you should ban yourself too!

Ive got more things to say , but for now I think this is enough shame for you in one post .

[nielz]

Sorry, my #care already ran out after the second invalid argument you made...

0. The time it took me was because i had to discuss it with other admins, who are more experienced (although it took me a while to find one who knew this bug. shame on me, im such a new guy)
1. The difference between that bug and no reload cannot be seen (which is why it is not allowed)
2. Yes, you wouldve been permanently banned for no-reload if you didnt come up with a good explanation, but you did. (Be happy, not mad.) (btw, should we ban all cheaters for "bug abuse" and make it a permanent ban if they suddenly say they cheated and did not bug abuse??? whats your point?)
3. I kicked Weezy after i gave everyone a warning that bug abuse was not allowed and he still continued, but that has been discussed over IRC. I didnt not ask for a demonstration, I asked for an explanation of how it was done (bugabuse/cheating is not allowed, even if you're alone in the server)
4. As explained, the difference of this bug and cheating cannot be seen. This #4 is the same as #1.

By the way, how I "threatend" you, was after you said how i made such a fool out of myself bla bla bla and that i "should not make it worse" (even tho i was not the one who bug abused). I responded to that insult, by saying that i was still thinking about your ban time, and that you "should not make it worse". Which is, in my opinion, still a friendly/funny/sarcastic way of responding to an insult like that. It was not because i "couldnt not hear the truth", after all, im not the one who's banned for bug abusing...

You knew this bug was not allowed ("Very tired , didnt think too much .. Got banned - Sorry" and i believe you said something in irc about facepalming yourself for doing it with crew ingame), and you took the risk of getting banned when you used it. So please do not complain now.
(The fact that you complain a lot while im still checking with other crew does not mean you're suddenly innocent.)

Please come back after 5 days.

[Agent]

Yeah nielz , go with that "I dont care" talkings , very professional from you .

0. The time it took me was because i had to discuss it with other admins, who are more experienced (although it took me a while to find one who knew this bug. shame on me, im such a new guy)

I agree with that ^

1. The difference between that bug and no reload cannot be seen (which is why it is not allowed)

I do not agree with that ^ - There are two ways to do this bug , one of the make you stuck in the ground
                                      (as happend to Weezy & BrainDeadGamer) No matter what , you cant move - just aim
                                        and shoot . If you would of spectate me , you could of watch &  understand.
                                        But I forgot you dont know this bug , so what am I talking about ..
                                        With the second way to do this bug you might move and stuff - that's as you sayd
                                        hard to see the difference but still if you watch for a few min you can decide if its
                                        cheating or c-bug.

2. Yes, you wouldve been permanently banned for no-reload if you didnt come up with a good explanation, but you did. (Be happy, not mad.) (btw, should we ban all cheaters for "bug abuse" and make it a permanent ban if they suddenly say they cheated and did not bug abuse??? whats your point?)

I didnt get your meaning by this - But a cheater as you say if he get banned for "bug abuse" then he wont tell you
                                              that he cheated , if you will "care" to explain this one better then go for it .

3. I kicked Weezy after i gave everyone a warning that bug abuse was not allowed and he still continued, but that has been discussed over IRC. I didnt not ask for a demonstration, I asked for an explanation of how it was done (bugabuse/cheating is not allowed, even if you're alone in the server)

Yes, you wouldve been permanently banned for no-reload if you didnt come up with a good explanation, but you did.

Now how about this ?

You didnt even "care" to take a step to IRC and have this talk - But wait .. If you would of done this you
would of keep telling me im permbanned - Becouse you got no explanation and no example that other's
can do this too.

As far as I can see , your telling two different things . Not very professional .

4. As explained, the difference of this bug and cheating cannot be seen. This #4 is the same as #1.

I wont write the same thing twice . Take a look at  my answer for your #1 .

By the way, how I "threatend" you, was after you said how i made such a fool out of myself bla bla bla and that i "should not make it worse" (even tho i was not the one who bug abused). I responded to that insult, by saying that i was still thinking about your ban time, and that you "should not make it worse". Which is, in my opinion, still a friendly/funny/sarcastic way of responding to an insult like that. It was not because i "couldnt not hear the truth", after all, im not the one who's banned for bug abusing...

You really made a fool out of yourself when you "cared" too much or w/e on the ingame chat .
Even MacSto connected to the IRC channel and told us to "give you a break" "we all can do mistakes"
The thing is that you just wont admint you mistaken and thats why your making a fool out of yourself .

It was not because i "couldnt not hear the truth", after all, im not the one who's banned for bug abusing

Your will here ^ ?

You knew this bug was not allowed ("Very tired , didnt think too much .. Got banned - Sorry" and i believe you said something in irc about facepalming yourself for doing it with crew ingame), and you took the risk of getting banned when you used it. So please do not complain now.

Please , when I sayd ("Very tired , didnt think too much .. Got banned - Sorry" It doesnt mean I knew its forbidden just was me excusing my self telling you im sorry but as you sayd I was tired ..I didnt want to
make this a mess but seem's  you turned it in to a mess overall.
I had to answer your post after you did post , becouse your answer was very cheap and you just wanted
to leave it that way .So I did some extra efforts and wrote it down . Now after a good sleep if you will
we can continue all day .

(The fact that you complain a lot while im still checking with other crew does not mean you're suddenly innocent.)

Im just having a big conversation with a mod that doesnt get it .I dont complain & I didnt claim that im innocent .
I just telling you and the other's that you did mistake and
you dont want to admit it , and your talking bullshit to cover yourslef but actually your making another mistake that brings you to show other that you really did a fool out of yourself .

[MacSto]

Even MacSto connected to the IRC channel and told us to "give you a break" "we all can do mistakes"

As far as this goes, my word means noting. I was not there nor did I know any details at the time of saying this. Now, this topic isn't my place to talk, so I won't say anymore.

[nielz]

Oh what the hell, im not even going to argue with you.
I was on IRC the entire time, you didnt even think of sending me a PM, you had to do everything over .echo mainchat.
What i said about banning cheaters for bugabuse, was a response to what you suggested, but I guess that was too complicated.
For all your other invalid arguements, I did nothing wrong, i banned a cheater/bug abuser, and discussed it with other crew before saying how long you were banned for (the only think i may have done wrong is not banning you from irc for teaching other players illegal bugabuse).
You however, did do stuff wrong, that is the reason why you are banned. So please accept your punishment and come back monday.

Dude, i am very serious when i say i dont care, there are more important things in my life than you, ive got a funeral to attent to tomorrow. Yes, not very professional i guess...

[Agent]

"Im not even going to argue with you" Your just dont know how to find any explenations so you keep going with your "care" way
and im sorry for your lost you have my condolences .Still you got to seperate this game and the funeral , I mean you cant keep
ignoring and not giving this ban the attention you need too becouse of the funeral.
Yeah banning me for explaning you that I did not cheat from IRC is just stupid , becouse then you would still think I cheated becouse you couldnt get any proof or w/e and
still had keep  your lack of experience.So I think you got to thank me for teaching you some useful thing . You could just do alt+tab and come to IRC aswell . So this is nothing to refer too .
Maby I did wrong but hey , you kicked someone else for the same reason , so where is the justice here ? - Just saying.
I do also have things going in real life but I had to and will keep to explain myself becouse of your lack of knowledge .

Again im sorry for your lost and once again you have my condolences .

I would like a managment member to say he's point of view about this (Without taking any sides) - Thx .

[Gaahl]

I'm not a management member, but I'll post what I think anyway I'm not taking any side, but personally I apply 2 different metres when judging a bug abuse: if the abuser is actually using c-no reload to kill a friend as a joke or maybe 2-shotting a tree, I usually get over it. But when someone is actually using one of those bugs with the purpose of killing someone, I give an immediate ban. I don't really know what happened, so consider me neutral in this thing

[nielz]

What you were doing was not shooting at a tree or a friend, you killed me twice while I was undercover with a name no one knew. If you did it twice on me (within 5 minutes), a random stranger, you're probably doing it more often. So I'm gonna love the months after your unban, when I'll be watching you until you do it again.

Now will you please give it a rest? You are banned until monday, and will not be unbanned until that time.