HC4L gang thread

[Maddolis]

I think its time we discussed this in a calm, dispassionate manner.

The thread was locked for being "offtopic."
What, may I ask, is "on topic" in on the lvp chat forum? The American election? There's nothing more.
We even have about 5 threads devoted to spamming. Many other gang/clan threads are filled with offtopic behavior (which is fine), such as the [BA] thread, but I don't see that being locked.

What was going on in the HC4L gang thread is a group of mates posting funny-looking crappy paint pictures to each other, based on what the clan has been talking about recently (rather ontopic, wouldn't you say?), and everybody laughing about it. Nobody is being offended, and most importantly, it is LIMITED to the HC4L gang thread.
This is an important point. Unlike ingame where if somebody yells out something taboo and the rest of the community is INSTANTLY EXPOSED to it (as it is right there on the chat), to watch our supposedly "offtopic crap," you must first click a LINK to actually view it, and even further, scroll to read it.
The only people exposing themselves to it are those who go looking for it.

If it is just for a group of mates who have a laugh, nobody else cares (because, as I said earlier, we are not offending or insulting anyone)- just having fun over a game. That's another main point- it is just a game, where people get together and have fun- and I do believe the LVP community has lost touch of that aspect.
Its not like everything we're saying has an effect on the world as we know it- if you dont want to read the stuff we find entertaining, don't click the link.

At the moment it really looks like we're a group thats constantly restricted due to our "controversial" interests- despite the fact that we are not exposing it or directing it to the community (most of the time).

It may seem relatively pointless for me to write the next part (like complaining about the government straight to the government- I was going to use a more 1940s germany oriented metaphor but I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy that), but it is very essential.
estroe, a number of us really do believe that you should listen to the community's suggestions more.
Not just read them and brush them off- but read them, read them again, and think about it (such as this post). No, its not only I, and its not only [HC4L] or [W]arriors, but I have talked to numerous people on irc or teamspeak who I hadn't even met before and aren't part of the more well "known" or opinionated people in the LVP community such as myself, and they do agree, and have mentioned that you can be closed-minded (put nicely). It really does look at the moment like you play this game and are entertained my putting restrictions on the amount of fun other people are having. I was on the irc earlier, and Fireburn (great management member, crewmembers should look up to him as an example- and by god, he's young too!) have a nice speech, friendly and relaxed, and next thing I know you're there banning people, hyped up on testosterone acting grand.
The [HC4L] gang thread has nothing to do with anyone else, so they don't need to click it (just like how I rarely if ever click on the sK, Vz, H threads etc). There is no reason to limit a group of mates' way of communicating, this is just a game and has next to nothing to do with real life.

The game was made for fun, and sa-mp was a way to get a whole community of GTA fans to get together and enjoy the game as part of a community. And it has worked successfully for years- I'd had a whole lot of fun (otherwise I would've stopped 1.5 years ago and wouldn't've donated 25 bloody euro to the leader of a community I enjoyed spending time with so much). A lot of the crew have forgotten this meaning- and take the game far more seriously than they should (as I have heard from enemies, friends and other crewmembers alike).

As I said at the beginning of this post, I think we should have a good discussion about this.
No name calling and no getting too emotional (I know I'm not), but just talking it over like a group of mature people. And estroe, do listen- don't hastily lock this thread up, and actually read what I have posted and think about it- and if you disagree as you tend to with 98% of my suggestions, at least give other crewmembers a chance to express their opinions so that I may talk to them rationally.

Thanks.

[Richard]

This topic is here so shoebox/Terror can reply as well.

The issue is still being discussed within the management. Wait for a reply.

[AzTeC]

locked for too many offtopic posts? dude at least we know how to have fun and we don't start flamewars about lame players/clans and stuff like that.

[HaZe]

estroe or whoever seems to have a strong bias against terror and shoebox.

[tomozj]

There is no reason to limit a group of mates' way of communicating, this is just a game and has next to nothing to do with real life.

I'm not going to answer on behalf of the forum administration, but generally speaking as a community member I must at least ask: If you really want to have a place to just chatter and post offtopic stuff, why not open your own forums? There are plenty of websites over the internet which would allow you to create a small 'HC4L' forum with a few sections to post porn or chat or whatever the hell you want. Catching my drift?

[Maddolis]

Thats a good point, but starting a new forum and getting it as popular as this one is hard and requires a lot of effort, and chances are if we put in the effort required we still wouldn't reach as much of the targeted audience as we do now.
If we do want to post whatever stuff we can't post here, we'd use irc and chat to each other live (although even then there's no posting porn or whatever*).

Basically the things that were going on in the HC4L thread are as offtopic as the SaW thread at the moment, and most of the times, B&A threads and to a slightly lesser extent, the W thread.

The main argument is against the thread being locked for going "offtopic" (where 80% of the entire forum is offtopic at least), not for posting anything highly inappropriate. Just a load of fun.



*Apart from Gang_Lord posting the occasional softcore of himself...

[Richard]

This topic is here so shoebox/Terror can reply as well.

Read people. The next gets a warning.

I'm waiting for my post to be discussed, which Peter asked me to do.

[Terror]

Read people. The next gets a warning.

I'm waiting for my post to be discussed, which Peter asked me to do.

a warning for having their opinion about a gang they moraly support by saying what they think about the closure of our topic ?
Freedom of speech is restricted in this topic ??
So nobody can give their opinion about this closure ? Except for shoebox and me ?
its not a 2mans clan. The other clanmembers also experience the closure of our topic and might want to respond aswell.

[Richard]

They can always ask in a PM or so. When it's said that they shouldn't reply, don't.

This case(not just the HC4L topic) is only between shoebox, Maddolis, you and the LVP management.

Edit:

The other clanmembers also experience the closure of our topic and might want to respond aswell.

I will unlock the HC4L topic now, they can talk normally there. Although it's not meant to become a discussion topic about this one.

[Richard]

Indeed it was locked for offtopic. Lately, there's been this 'tepel' stuff. There were kicks and bans for it(I will be looking into that stuff later on today). Why, if you know people got banned when that happened(yourself including), would you go post more stuff about that at the forum..? When you know it isn't approved for whatever reason, try and communicate to find out why, don't go around the forum scattering it around even more.
Next to that, you say you must click the link to see it, yes of course. But it still is a public topic. You can fuck around as much as you like in the subforum, we won't interfere in there so fast.

estroe, a number of us really do believe that you should listen to the community's suggestions more.

Which suggestions? I don't recall seeing any serious suggestions really. I may forget things here, if so, point me to them please.

Close minded, do explain please?

It really does look at the moment like you play this game and are entertained my putting restrictions on the amount of fun other people are having.

What I am trying here, is to keep things nice for everyone, not just for the more known regulars.
Secondly, about the removed posts / locked topics: They were are related to this 'tepel' stuff, for that see the first part of my post.

I was on the irc earlier, and Fireburn (great management member, crewmembers should look up to him as an example- and by god, he's young too!) have a nice speech, friendly and relaxed, and next thing I know you're there banning people, hyped up on testosterone acting grand.

Indeed I was. Fireburn set +m to make his speech, in other words, he muted everyone who did not have +v. People started to use /nick blabla to 'say' something anyway, including the 'tepel' stuff again. Bakura, as a reaction, set +N, meaning you can not change nick whilst being on #LVP. So what do people do, leave the channel, change name to 'say' something, and rejoin. And so on and so on. Then Bakura had set -N. That's when I started to ban. After I banned the first, I said: 'Any more?' You then changed nick to 'NippleMEPLEASE', and so I banned you as well. AzTeC had already changed to 'estore' and then went to '[W]ESTORE', and so I banned him as well for just being annoying. Then after those 3, IDmad thought he could be funny by changing his name to 'hardnipplies', yet again, a ban.

I'll just ignore the bolded part.

The game was made for fun, and sa-mp was a way to get a whole community of GTA fans to get together and enjoy the game as part of a community.

Not everyone is having fun with YOUR way of having fun, for example Beethi.

As I said at the beginning of this post, I think we should have a good discussion about this.

Agreed, way better then the current way of things.

No name calling and no getting too emotional (I know I'm not), but just talking it over like a group of mature people.

Small reference to the 'bolded part'.. Not like it's insulting, but that doesn't fit in a proper discussion imo. Either way, no offense taken.

And estroe, do listen- don't hastily lock this thread up, and actually read what I have posted and think about it- and if you disagree as you tend to with 98% of my suggestions, at least give other crewmembers a chance to express their opinions so that I may talk to them rationally.

I won't. The other topic was locked mainly for the reason it was in a public place. This isn't to be discusses with the entire community, rather with the people involved only.
No crewmember can post here unless they're either management or developer