People complaining about others here:

[ayam]

Wooow, keep it to the Management units, do not flame in here. Don't start the flame of war.

[Maddolis]

Exactly. And comparing bug abusing to cheating is ridiculous.
I know that some of the crew have cheated in the past and on other servers, but they're making us look like the badguys when we bug-abuse- nay, use bugs with our friends in a completely different area to the main crowd.

If all of the fighters left LVP... well, I saw 3 players on today, and I wouldn't see a much higher player limit.

[HoogerBooger]

Exactly. And comparing bug abusing to cheating is ridiculous.
I know that some of the crew have cheated in the past and on other servers, but they're making us look like the badguys when we bug-abuse- nay, use bugs with our friends in a completely different area to the main crowd.

If all of the fighters left LVP... well, I saw 3 players on today, and I wouldn't see a much higher player limit.

I use 2-shot bug at least once I play usually, unintentionally though, but I feel for those unfortunate ones who manage to get caught using it. I mean I am pretty sure it happens to almost everyone when switching guns in a fight every once in a while.

So the way I see it, keep it up boys, but just try not to get caught.

Your best friend,
HoogerBooger.

[Lodewijk]

lvp got borin when they disallowed cbug

[HaZe]

No.


Thats all i've got to say really. If you guys want to use bugs, regardless of whether we think it's right or wrong. Do it in another server, not another world.


And about your statement on Hooligan not being childish, have you read his appeal?, it's made me laugh that I know he isn't normally like that, but he's doing it just because he thinks it's making him look big.


Lastly. I handle the real world just fine, i've got this far haven't I?

even if you never provide decent points, it just seems that you're spawned against maddolis. you see one of his posts and you have to instantly disagree.

[Ben]

even if you never provide decent points, it just seems that you're spawned against maddolis. you see one of his posts and you have to instantly disagree.

Your completely wrong HaZe. Me and Maddolis are friendly. He just happens to bring a point which I felt i should post infromation from the other side of the argument. Never have i directed threats/flaming/attacks on real life to him nor most people i've encountered in this game.


Thats one sad thing though, I had just generally lost interest in SA-MP, but, (don't take this the wrong way) it's people like you all and others who have posted in this thread that have made me feel whenever I have the chance either to play or not to play SA-MP, I don't.

It's as if we are teachers at a school. Everything we say is thrown away with accusations like 'your power hungry', 'you just want control', 'it's because you don't have a real life'. Using things like that is bullshit, and im passed being sick of hearing it.

You all say that you will just leave the server if we continue (doing our jobs?) admining the way we do. Well, in my honest opinion, although probably different from other crew members is that I couldn't care less if you all left to fight somewhere else, leaves space for people with atleast a slight hint of respect. You don't know someone you hold a door for in a shop, but you still have the damn decency to hold it for them. Think about that.

Now im not going to say 'Now say what you want coz i won't read it again AAHAHAH' and all that crap because aye, I will read this again. While im being completely honest to, I couldn't give a fart whether or not you guys think we don't have a life, are power hungry or whatever you can think of next, because even though im probably younger than most of you, I have atleast some morals when it comes to speaking to other people, in a game or in real fucking life.

[HaZe]

well that's pretty over-dramatic honestly. it's not that we all think you guys are power hungry, because you already have power.. we just want things to be changed. what harm is done by using bugs in another world or using it against each other if you both agree to it? there's not one disadvantage or harmful thing that comes from that. a lot of admins just ban people because they want to. they like to ban people so much that they ban each other like 200 times. that's honestly just insane. all we ask for is some democracy.

[Ben]

It's not over dramatic, its the truth. I honestly don't care about you bug abusing. But it's against the rules.

I've just been told to ban people who do not comply with the server rules. Just because your doing it in another world doesn't make it right, just because two people consent to it doesnt make it alright and just because you guys think its fine, does not, and I repeat does not make it right.

[HaZe]

ok, but why is it wrong? you guys defined bug abuse as someone using something to gain an advantage on another. how do you have an advantage when either you both agree to using it or you're not really fighting someone?

[Mike]

how do you have an advantage when either you both agree to using it or you're not really fighting someone?

Because drilling a small hole in the 'dam' will start a cascade reaction that will lead to the hole getting larger, and in turn more and more water getting through.  What I mean is if using this bug is allowed in one circumstance, it will inevitably lead to it being used everywhere and be out of control. (If someone got banned, they'd make up some excuse that they were doing it within the rules.) If that happened, we'd be back where we started before we had this rule. So, if it's not allowed at all, we don't have to worry about considering whether it's allowed or not and under what circumstances.