09-25-2016, 04:48 PM
I make a few observations based on my logs:
I don't think it requires any further explanation as to why it's unfortunate that it happened. Given the above dialog, I also think that the kick was justified.
Let's take a step back to the higher level issue that you've intended to raise here: is using commands to get away from any fight abusive? This also relates to Diablo's reasoning behind your jail time ("u cant use cmds even if u dont shoot"). I find myself in two minds trying to answer this.
On one hand, our rules say that this is not allowed. Following the administrator guidelines, other players who might have been chasing you— one of the in-game gangs decided to specifically target you, shouldn't end up in a situation where you're suddenly gone.
On the other hand, if a player in fact is not interested in fighting, and others still attack them, should commands will count as abuse? Following the same administrator guidelines, I'm inclined to say that we have a contradiction between the rules and the guidelines here: that wouldn't be enjoyable for the peaceful player at all.
The third aspect to consider here is consistency. Is our current rule consistently enforceable? Would an only-when-fighting change to this rule be consistently enforceable? I think that the answer to both these questions is No. The first question is subject to administrator bias and availability. The second question is subject to player bias ("I'm sure they shot!").
We should solve this programmatically, and take the question away from both players and administrators entirely. Las Venturas Playground should just do the right thing automatically. I just created https://github.com/LVPlayground/playground/issues/335 to track this.
- I see that within a reasonably short amount of time you used /dive, /inf, /tow and /tune, after which you get reported for avoiding death.
- Diablo decides to jail you, immediately after which you claim that you didn't shoot anybody. You actually killed both nhut and loz in the two minutes leading up to that.
Quote:*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): why are you putting me in jail if I havent shot anybody?
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): are you brainless?
*** [31] [BB]Diablo: u cant use cmds even if u dont shoot
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): what a waste of space in humanity you are
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): brainless useless nobody
*** [31] [BB]Diablo: awww
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): must be a fat aloner human
*** [31] [BB]Diablo: anything else?
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): trying to steal another players fun when you got nothing at all
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): what a waste of human you are
*** [31] [BB]Diablo: ye fun by abusing cmds
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): must have a frustrated family
*** [31] [BB]Diablo: u done?
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): stealing another human's breathe
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): breathing and stealing another person's oxygen
*** Admin [HM]Fallen (Id:26): what a uselessness human you must be in your neighborhood
*** [HM]Fallen (Id:26) has been kicked by [BB]Diablo (Id:31): learn to behave
I don't think it requires any further explanation as to why it's unfortunate that it happened. Given the above dialog, I also think that the kick was justified.
Let's take a step back to the higher level issue that you've intended to raise here: is using commands to get away from any fight abusive? This also relates to Diablo's reasoning behind your jail time ("u cant use cmds even if u dont shoot"). I find myself in two minds trying to answer this.
On one hand, our rules say that this is not allowed. Following the administrator guidelines, other players who might have been chasing you— one of the in-game gangs decided to specifically target you, shouldn't end up in a situation where you're suddenly gone.
On the other hand, if a player in fact is not interested in fighting, and others still attack them, should commands will count as abuse? Following the same administrator guidelines, I'm inclined to say that we have a contradiction between the rules and the guidelines here: that wouldn't be enjoyable for the peaceful player at all.
The third aspect to consider here is consistency. Is our current rule consistently enforceable? Would an only-when-fighting change to this rule be consistently enforceable? I think that the answer to both these questions is No. The first question is subject to administrator bias and availability. The second question is subject to player bias ("I'm sure they shot!").
We should solve this programmatically, and take the question away from both players and administrators entirely. Las Venturas Playground should just do the right thing automatically. I just created https://github.com/LVPlayground/playground/issues/335 to track this.