New crew moderation methods.

[Maddolis]

There is one likely problem with this; how can we, you or anyone else expect crewmembers to be unbiased? After all, they're mostly human too, they form opinions about people, have problems with people and get relations with these people, purely based on the experiences they have. Compare a player's behaviour to a simple mathematical serie; bug abuse once and get a three day ban, bug abuse twice and it's five or six days. Same applies to other, minor incidents. Whereas a simple flame isn't bannable, annoying PM's aren't bannable and even being irritating on TeamSpeak usually gets ignored. However, when you combine all these small incidents, a larger picture is created in which the player has done more than enough to warrant a ban, and to reply to your second post here Maddolis, that is exactly what happened with shoebox and Nerd.

You suddenly told me that crew are human and hence biased, but then told me to compare a player's behavior to some mathematical formula (mathematics being unbiased...)
Okay...

The main problem recently, and I'm going to be quite clear here, has been the HC4L clan and those associated with them. There have been a lot of discussions internally, and publically as well, the thing is, it simply is their attitudes. Banning someone from HC4L results in a lot of crying from quite some different persons, and with all due respect Maddolis, you too are one of the causes. Never before in the three years Las Venturas Playground has existed have there been references between the nazi's, the Second World War and the LVP Staffmembers. Never before there have been people around with attitudes like HC4L has; stubborn and not open to any explaination from administrators. Ironically the cause is always the same: they break the rules and get banned, which they think is unjustified.

That's where you're wrong, there've been plenty of people with attitudes equal or worse than that of the "worst" HC4L.
In the last 3 years of LVP, only in the last year have the crew been as tight as they are, which pisses more people off and causes more hatred.
I'm sure you've seen videos on the internet or stories of Police brutality, especially in New York, or perhaps Los Angeles. The citizens don't have a very good opinion of the police there, and hence don't feel the need to abide by the rules they enforce, and there is a higher crime rate. Policing can be split into two major areas- Community based, and action based (community be helping out citizens, action be making more arrests and such). Not only is the LVP crew 99% action based, but they are also acting more like NYPD or LAPD than more unbiased police forces.
I never said the crew needs to be perfectly unbiased- but at least a good 90% unbiased.
I've been temp-modded a few times, and when I was I was flamed by people who have flamed me probably more than some crewmembers have been flamed all together ingame- but I didn't feel the need to make any kicks or bans (I didn't even make any mutes apart from one occasion- not that I'm saying you shouldn't mute people).

You seem to be getting the wrong point from my posts here- I'm not debating solely how the LVP crew treats HC4L, but how they treat the players in general. I don't see why if a random joins the server and speaks one line of caps they should get a kick- a warning or a mute should do fine.

There are crewmembers who have been thinking about quitting purely based on the actions HC4L decided to do. Luckily none has yet, but I wouldn't suprise if it would ever happen. You very well know this Maddolis

I didn't know that, but it gives me a ridiculous looking smile- that's pretty sweet!

Has the crew been more strict lately? Yes, I believe so. I have seen various kicks and bans which, in my opinion, should not have been made. Do I think some crewmembers are too biased? Yes, I do. Do I think they, and only they are to blame? Absolutely not, most of the time these people are fully aware of what they were doing. The other side however is also true, as Terror said to me recently. Even if he tries to improve his behaviour, crewmembers still kick him easily for minor insults, pretty much taking his chance to do so away. The thing is; change has to come from both sides, not only the Las Venturas Playground Staff, but from the players as well

I've seen plenty of positive change from players (especially HC4L), but not a great deal from the crewmembers on the whole.

I'm putting all facts on the table here, and I hope you'll do the same. No party here is innocent, not the players, not the crew. In the past you have given arguments like other players commit way worse incidents than HC4L, yet I have never seen any kind of proof backing that up, I'm looking forward to that. Being an administrator is a difficult task, and all of you know all shit will be directed at the administrators if anyone doesn't agree with their ban. It involves being constantly flamed at, various insults and sometimes even death threats. For that reason I don't mind if admins go around in hydra's or hunters at times, it's a way to put pressure off them.

Glad you admit the crew isn't innocent- admitting it is the first step towards fixing it
Constantly you say on irc that you don't have the power to fix a bad situation, but seriously, you run the server, you own it and you have more power than any of the other admins- you just let a lot of the management walk over you far too easily. If Deaken bans Terror, you're allowed to unban him as you are the owner and founder of the server (based on something you said yesterday on irc).

Death Threats? When I cop death threats over the internet they give me a good chuckle- certainly nothing to slit my wrists about. If the admins can't handle death threats over the internet then there's plenty of Mario games still selling well.

I'd like this thread to develop further than a simple "LVP crew vs HC4L gang" court case, because I know plenty of people who have strong opinions and strong points but are perhaps weary to post their point of views as they may be biased against ingame. If anyone wants something posted anonymously, contact me on irc or pm here and I'll post it for you.

'nuff said.

Has the crew been more strict lately? Yes, I believe so. I have seen various kicks and bans which, in my opinion, should not have been made. Do I think some crewmembers are too biased? Yes, I do.

'nuff said.