01-04-2009, 05:07 PM
There is one likely problem with this; how can we, you or anyone else expect crewmembers to be unbiased? After all, they're mostly human too, they form opinions about people, have problems with people and get relations with these people, purely based on the experiences they have. Compare a player's behaviour to a simple mathematical serie; bug abuse once and get a three day ban, bug abuse twice and it's five or six days. Same applies to other, minor incidents. Whereas a simple flame isn't bannable, annoying PM's aren't bannable and even being irritating on TeamSpeak usually gets ignored. However, when you combine all these small incidents, a larger picture is created in which the player has done more than enough to warrant a ban, and to reply to your second post here Maddolis, that is exactly what happened with shoebox and Nerd.
Everyone always has opinions about people; there is no way to overcome that. We can't ask the Las Venturas Playground administrators to lock themselfes in media-less cages in which they hear nothing but anonymous chatter. They see names associated with the messages, with the actions and responses. They get direct feedback from the ones they administer, which ranges from a clear apology to a series of direct and intense insults. I do not think anyone should want this, bottom line is, everyone has opinions about everyone else, even if it's just a quick first impression.
The main problem recently, and I'm going to be quite clear here, has been the HC4L clan and those associated with them. There have been a lot of discussions internally, and publically as well, the thing is, it simply is their attitudes. Banning someone from HC4L results in a lot of crying from quite some different persons, and with all due respect Maddolis, you too are one of the causes. Never before in the three years Las Venturas Playground has existed have there been references between the nazi's, the Second World War and the LVP Staffmembers. Never before there have been people around with attitudes like HC4L has; stubborn and not open to any explaination from administrators. Ironically the cause is always the same: they break the rules and get banned, which they think is unjustified.
There are crewmembers who have been thinking about quitting purely based on the actions HC4L decided to do. Luckily none has yet, but I wouldn't suprise if it would ever happen. You very well know this Maddolis, and frankly I still am quite puzzled as to why you cannot understand. Name a few other players who commit actions like them; get banned in once place, move on to others with the purpose to get banned there as well. I can name a few: k1lla and Stewie, the first of which has been lifetime banned as well. Racism is no-go, discrimination is no-go, neo-nazi'ism is no-go, flaming/insulting/spamming/caps are against the rules, and as minor as it all may seem, you are aware of it. If someone deliberately breaks these rules, how exactly is it our problem if they get kicked- or banned? If a player with over 500 hours of in-game time still refuses to even think about the rules, why should Las Venturas Playground spent money for such people? Quite frankly, I don't believe we should, hence why there is a thing like bans for an arbitrary period of time.
Has the crew been more strict lately? Yes, I believe so. I have seen various kicks and bans which, in my opinion, should not have been made. Do I think some crewmembers are too biased? Yes, I do. Do I think they, and only they are to blame? Absolutely not, most of the time these people are fully aware of what they were doing. The other side however is also true, as Terror said to me recently. Even if he tries to improve his behaviour, crewmembers still kick him easily for minor insults, pretty much taking his chance to do so away. The thing is; change has to come from both sides, not only the Las Venturas Playground Staff, but from the players as well, which is a difficult thing to do. As long as people keep crying about bans the way has been happening recently and keep making references between the nazi's and us, I don't see that happening very soon. This is exactly why Nerd and shoebox aren't unbanned: how long do you think it will take before they get banned again? Don't you think all moaning will start all over again purely because you don't like it? The bottom line is: Playing on Las Venturas Playground is a privilege, not a right. LVP has no obligation in any thinkable way to keep allowing people on it's server and therefore reserves the right to deny access to any of our services, to anyone, at anytime.
I'm putting all facts on the table here, and I hope you'll do the same. No party here is innocent, not the players, not the crew. In the past you have given arguments like other players commit way worse incidents than HC4L, yet I have never seen any kind of proof backing that up, I'm looking forward to that. Being an administrator is a difficult task, and all of you know all shit will be directed at the administrators if anyone doesn't agree with their ban. It involves being constantly flamed at, various insults and sometimes even death threats. For that reason I don't mind if admins go around in hydra's or hunters at times, it's a way to put pressure off them.
'nuff said.
Peter
Everyone always has opinions about people; there is no way to overcome that. We can't ask the Las Venturas Playground administrators to lock themselfes in media-less cages in which they hear nothing but anonymous chatter. They see names associated with the messages, with the actions and responses. They get direct feedback from the ones they administer, which ranges from a clear apology to a series of direct and intense insults. I do not think anyone should want this, bottom line is, everyone has opinions about everyone else, even if it's just a quick first impression.
The main problem recently, and I'm going to be quite clear here, has been the HC4L clan and those associated with them. There have been a lot of discussions internally, and publically as well, the thing is, it simply is their attitudes. Banning someone from HC4L results in a lot of crying from quite some different persons, and with all due respect Maddolis, you too are one of the causes. Never before in the three years Las Venturas Playground has existed have there been references between the nazi's, the Second World War and the LVP Staffmembers. Never before there have been people around with attitudes like HC4L has; stubborn and not open to any explaination from administrators. Ironically the cause is always the same: they break the rules and get banned, which they think is unjustified.
There are crewmembers who have been thinking about quitting purely based on the actions HC4L decided to do. Luckily none has yet, but I wouldn't suprise if it would ever happen. You very well know this Maddolis, and frankly I still am quite puzzled as to why you cannot understand. Name a few other players who commit actions like them; get banned in once place, move on to others with the purpose to get banned there as well. I can name a few: k1lla and Stewie, the first of which has been lifetime banned as well. Racism is no-go, discrimination is no-go, neo-nazi'ism is no-go, flaming/insulting/spamming/caps are against the rules, and as minor as it all may seem, you are aware of it. If someone deliberately breaks these rules, how exactly is it our problem if they get kicked- or banned? If a player with over 500 hours of in-game time still refuses to even think about the rules, why should Las Venturas Playground spent money for such people? Quite frankly, I don't believe we should, hence why there is a thing like bans for an arbitrary period of time.
Has the crew been more strict lately? Yes, I believe so. I have seen various kicks and bans which, in my opinion, should not have been made. Do I think some crewmembers are too biased? Yes, I do. Do I think they, and only they are to blame? Absolutely not, most of the time these people are fully aware of what they were doing. The other side however is also true, as Terror said to me recently. Even if he tries to improve his behaviour, crewmembers still kick him easily for minor insults, pretty much taking his chance to do so away. The thing is; change has to come from both sides, not only the Las Venturas Playground Staff, but from the players as well, which is a difficult thing to do. As long as people keep crying about bans the way has been happening recently and keep making references between the nazi's and us, I don't see that happening very soon. This is exactly why Nerd and shoebox aren't unbanned: how long do you think it will take before they get banned again? Don't you think all moaning will start all over again purely because you don't like it? The bottom line is: Playing on Las Venturas Playground is a privilege, not a right. LVP has no obligation in any thinkable way to keep allowing people on it's server and therefore reserves the right to deny access to any of our services, to anyone, at anytime.
I'm putting all facts on the table here, and I hope you'll do the same. No party here is innocent, not the players, not the crew. In the past you have given arguments like other players commit way worse incidents than HC4L, yet I have never seen any kind of proof backing that up, I'm looking forward to that. Being an administrator is a difficult task, and all of you know all shit will be directed at the administrators if anyone doesn't agree with their ban. It involves being constantly flamed at, various insults and sometimes even death threats. For that reason I don't mind if admins go around in hydra's or hunters at times, it's a way to put pressure off them.
'nuff said.
Peter