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[unbanned]Definitely wrongfully banned - HaZe - 04-01-2008
Nickname: HaZe
Date of the ban: april 1st 2008
Suspected Reason: bug abuse
Your IP address: you have it
so jay recorded me shooting half of my sawnoff, then shooting the rest without switching. i also use uzi's in between half of a sawnoff shot but this isn't 2 shot bug abuse, because its exactly the same as shooting 4 only LESS effective. therefore i dont see a problem. Either way sawn/tec/sawn/tec has been allowed at LVP since it started, as it is not a bug and everyone does it (except for inexperienced players).
this is my demo of shooting half my sawn, then the rest without switching. not even close to bug abuse, because the gun doesnt even switch until its done firing (if i had uzi's)
[youtube=425,350]99QPyeiL1ig[/youtube]
This is my demo of the sawnoff/tec/sawnoff/tec switching strategy, which almost every regular LVP player uses, and it's allowed.
[youtube=425,350]Rmc1F40lleA[/youtube]
Alright. now this is Jay's video (very very brief of course) of me fighting [BA]Darkfire
[youtube=425,350]wD1MSYI5imw[/youtube]
i dont see any bug abuse, or anything that isnt allowed. hell i even went to darkfire to see if he saw anything...
Quote:<HaZe> darkfireDarkfire is a very experienced player and is a veteran at LVP, so do not under-mind his opinion.
<HaZe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD1MSYI5imw
<HaZe> this is my fight with u
<HaZe> and he banned me for this
<HaZe> even though i didnt see anything wrong with it
<Darkfire> I saw
<Darkfire> same, I only saw a CRAPPY movie
<Darkfire> lol
i dont blame Jay 100%, it doesn't surprise me because of stuff like this -- http://forum.sa-mp.nl/index.php?topic=991.0
I also request an unban in #lvp.echo. i was banned for telling fry to be quiet because i didnt wanna hear from him. mainly because he was not involved at all.
if your name is jay and you are reading this do not lock or remove this topic, let the other admins have their say.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Maka - 04-02-2008
I thought we said switching was allowed? I believe that is the exact thing I said on last week Saturday.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - HaZe - 04-02-2008
YEP you did, as did TEF. and now im banned again.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Jay - 04-02-2008
(04-02-2008, 08:20 AM)Makaveli link Wrote: I thought we said switching was allowed? I believe that is the exact thing I said on last week Saturday.
Actually, I checked, and switching isn't allowed. I checked with three other crewmembers.
Now this arguement has seriously gone on long enough. 2shot, switch, 2shot is considered bug abuse. Bringing other players such as Darkfire into the arguement won't change anything, so your wasting your time.
Proof can be shown in these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD1MSYI5imw
http://www.sendspace.com/file/prro15 - Clearer
You will be unbanned on Friday night.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Richard - 04-02-2008
(04-02-2008, 12:23 PM)Jay link Wrote: Actually, I checked, and switching isn't allowed. I checked with three other crewmembers.
Sawn/tec/sawn/tec is allowed. 2-shot isn't but I didn't witness any here.
Quote:Now this arguement has seriously gone on long enough. 2shot, switch, 2shot is considered bug abuse. Bringing other players such as Darkfire into the arguement won't change anything, so your wasting your time.
2-shot is indeed not allowed, but as I said, I don't witness any. About Darkfire: He has been banned several times for bug-abuse so if any non-mod/admin opinion would count, it wouldn't be his imo.
The short video is not very clear, I don't see any 2-shot or anything in it.
HaZe's videos showed the allowed sawn/tec/sawn/tec and the other 2sawn/walk/2sawn/walk. That's not bug-abuse at all seeing the gun does reload and he doesn't switch in between(what would make it 2-shot).
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Jay - 04-02-2008
Darkfire has completely nothing to do with it, along with you, estroe. It was bug abuse, I know what I seen, you can clearly see 2shot in the video I posted, try downloading the clearer version. I have pre-checked with crew members, provided a live video of him doing it, I dont understand what more proof I am supposed to provide.
It might be hard to see him bug abusing in the video I posted, but listening to the bullets, although there out of time with the footage, will probably change your mind.
Try looking at this video:
[youtube=425,350]04NoIhux6SU[/youtube]
This was the video I showed on irc, confirming that the 2nd one was defintly a bannable offence, which is what HaZe was doing.
A few days earlier than this, HaZe again was banned for the exact same reason, witnessed by both me and Barry, but after TEF and Makaveli got involved, he got unbanned. You can ask Barry as he was spectating haze at the same time I was, and we both agreed that it was bug abuse. or even easier would be to check the admin msg logs.
This arguement really has gone on long enough, and people getting involved half-way through dosn't help.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Richard - 04-02-2008
That first video from you in HaZe's post is looking from Darkfire's point of view. It goes left and right a lot and it's very hard to see if there's bug-abuse. I listened to the sound but I only hear 1 sawn shot, not 2(as in 1 bullet). The sound quality is bad and from what I hear, it's useless to judge from.
I tried downloading the clearer version but that site gave me a time-out respond every time. It works now so I am downloading it, will edit this post when I've seen it.
@below: In that case I didn't see anything wrong either. Vid is on 80% now.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Jay - 04-02-2008
No, it is from Haze's point of view, At that point HaZe had a clown skin. And if you dont mind, I'd like to wait for HaZe to reply since he actually has somthing to do with it
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Maka - 04-02-2008
2Shot = 2 shots sawnoff, switch/back, 2 shots sawnoff, switch/back, 2 shots sawnoff.
Switching = 4 shots sawnoff, tec9/uzi, 4 shots sawnoff, tec9/uzi
Switching #2 = 2 shots sawnoff, tec9/uzi, 2 shots sawnoff, tec9/uzi.
I don't see any 2Shot in there. And switching is allowed.
(04-02-2008, 01:57 PM)Jay link Wrote: Darkfire has completely nothing to do with it, along with you, estroe.
Estroe is an administrator, isn't he?
The youtube video is HaZe, but it's way too shitty. I watched the good version, and I only see stuff that is switching. Also, the movie stops at 70% and I only hear gun sound then.
Re: Definitely wrongfully banned - Jay - 04-02-2008
Yes, but estroe is not the admin that witnessed it, and banned him, and neither are you. Switching with 4shot is allowed, But 2shot, switch, 2shot is avoiding a lot of the Micro Uzi that has to be fired, in order to avoid the reload when using 4shot, hence giving other players an unfair advantage, and would be classed as abusing a bug.
(04-02-2008, 02:08 PM)Jay link Wrote: And if you dont mind, I'd like to wait for HaZe to reply since he actually has somthing to do with it