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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Nater - 04-11-2011
(04-10-2011, 04:28 PM)Peru2600 link Wrote: A few words will never convince a person that God exists.+1 King
Like ive said i make my own choices of what i believe in no one can tell me different :7
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-11-2011
"The wave function of the universe is self collapsing. (hawking did not say that btw, he just discussed the idea 'the wave function of the universe' separately from the idea of a collapsing universe, it is just a theory, because everything in this world can be reduced to PHYSICAL waves, not probability wave functions which is completely different) Nevertheless, this theory is just an assumption; Please read Brian Greene's books"
Yes the collapsing universe is a model that says that the universe will converge in a Big Crunch at some end point. I don't buy that model myself but yeah that's different from wave-function collapse.
"self collapsing wave functions are minds. Coolio, self collapsing wave functions are not physical, they just tell something about probability, so it's more like a descriptive mathematical tool, so claiming that a mathematical probability function is a mind...hmmm read orch or again please. A mind can be interpreted to where self collapsing wave functions apply, self collapsing wave functions as a property of the mind"
Ok, basically what they are doing here is technically correct as far as the math is concerned, but personally that just proves to me that the universe reduces to Platonic non-material stuff. The direct problem with their way of going about it though is that they would have to explain a way a whole host of phenomena that require the wave-function to be real. I mean we obviously see the affect of wave-like behavior in a whole variety of QM experiments. However this isn't good enough for them because we can never see the wave itself -which is rank positivism (we can't see it so it doesn't exist -even if we have all the evidence in the world for it.)
I've attached this video here you can bounce off them if u deny the reality of the wave-function."
Dear Positivists: Who's The Quantum Mystic Now?
well, well, well Johaan Rules and his reputation says everything.
sure, i have faith and i wont force u to believe, i have my own reasons like u have ur owns, im sure we both have good reasons.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Daniel - 04-11-2011
God is just the answer for things we cant answer like i said earlier, Like someone is dieing because he got cancer, they would say * god was mad so he let him die*
A guy in the sky watching his little world he made and he gets angry if people do something wrong, so he will caus earthquakes to warn people and show that he is mad? and you think it's an act of god ?
If people would say everything that science and Technology could not explain is caused by god we would't have find out what's the real *cause* so it's just .. blocking our Technology.
@ reply !
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 04-11-2011
Quote:The wave function of the universe is self collapsing- explain this please.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-11-2011
In quantum mechanics before something is measured it exists in this weird "twilight zonish" limbo state of being in several states all at the same time. (this is how particles can be in more than one place at one time in quantum physics).
When we measure the wave-function it takes on only one of these states such that we don't actually observe the weird limbo state directly itself -just it's effects.
Now in the case of the wave-function of the universe there is no physical observer or measuring apparatus outside of the universe to measure and collapse it's wave-function. If there was it wouldn't be the physical universe anymore (physical universe = set of all physical things -including measuring apparatuses, physical observerse etc.).
As such the universe's wave-function could by definition not collapse by anything physical outside measuring it. thus it has to be self-collapse.
@ Daniel , "guy in the sky" was never literarly interpretated in the Bible and no, we dont say *God was mad so he let him die* or earthquake stuff and all. if someone is saying that, then he doesnt know the real meaning of God and u cant judge God like a normal human and say what he's doing right now. we have a life given, now we need to use it wisely, everything repays. all the bad causes, everything. and ur faith in God does not slow down the Technology, TRUE Religion(the way it is meant to be) helps poor people and dont u say that's gone, it isn't. most protestants do that only and are not really affected by high priests management much. most of them keep faith for themselves, because they dont really have to prove much to other people, because some of Atheists really bother too much about Religion, but what for? perhaps doubts, but in their faith thats fighting for existance of nothing and that's not logical. and if ure talking about religion slowing down technology then ure not talking about Religion but perhaps modified Religion by their own taste. as u can see, obviously it can be scientificly explained, but as long as it fits in. what you can do is keep Faith in God for ur self and not for others, being religious because of parents is not true faith. sometimes, that makes u "push" the religion away once u grow up. and obviously most of religious people know why they believe in God, like I do. Jesus, God will not give u gifts with no reason. u have to show ur patience and loyality first.
shortly, u belive because u want to with a good reason. its for ur self only, not for the others as Grim mentioned.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Dominator33 - 04-11-2011
(04-11-2011, 02:38 PM)Daniel link Wrote: God is just the answer for things we cant answer like i said earlier, Like someone is dieing because he got cancer, they would say * god was mad so he let him die*LMAO yeah daniel God lets people get cancer and die cus hes mad...
A guy in the sky watching his little world he made and he gets angry if people do something wrong, so he will caus earthquakes to warn people and show that he is mad? and you think it's an act of god ?
If people would say everything that science and Technology could not explain is caused by god we would't have find out what's the real *cause* so it's just .. blocking our Technology.
@ reply !
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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 04-11-2011
What do you guys think about the "God has killed more than Satan" thing? Why God is so furious?
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 04-11-2011
(04-11-2011, 05:21 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: its for ur self only, not for the others as Grim mentioned.
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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Daniel - 04-11-2011
(04-11-2011, 06:08 PM)Dominator33 link Wrote: LMAO yeah daniel God lets people get cancer and die cus hes mad...
you stupid or what? lmao
you dont get it ? you want me to explain it to you ?
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-11-2011
just dont referee it this way, because that's not what God does Daniel..
