(08-08-2011, 07:51 PM)Munch link Wrote: If suicide is selfish because it causes upset for those around the victim, is it not selfish for those around the victim to want him to stay alive (and continue suffering in the process)?

It's easy to say there's always a way out but if you're in a position where you see no alternative then I don't find it selfish for them to want to end their own suffering. And as dappamikey said it would take some courage to go through with the act, knowing of the consequences. And I'm sure it would take some planning too, which I would think during the planning they've had time to think of the alternatives.

(08-08-2011, 08:15 PM)Munch link Wrote: It might not always be because they're mentally unstable. It could be the person is in extreme pain that isn't ending (due to no cure or whatever) and wants to end it themselves. I don't see how counselling will help that.