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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Anna_ - 04-06-2011
(04-06-2011, 02:26 PM)TwistedDemon link Wrote: Oh god, why do they all have to go to hell?Oh gosh, because we really will miss you if you go alone to hell ):
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 04-06-2011
Religion is based on faith. If you truely believe, you do NOT need proof. No matter what science says, you should stay true to your beliefs.
If one does not believe because of faith, then you should not attempt to disprove it, becausec you will be baised. What you should do is continue your faith and leave the proving and disproving for people who truely seek the truth and not for those who want to make the evidence fit their beliefs. And that's exactly what you and ur videos are doing styla, making todays evidence fit your beliefs. Thats basically what all those vids are about.
Belief in God is based on faith
Faith doesn't need to be proven
Anyone who tries to prove it, doesn't believe.
"Those of stronger faith or conviction, those who have experienced God and/or Jesus personally, those who are not into thought and mind control but believe in voluntary belief and worship have no need or desire to prove or disprove anything. It is not necessary to believe literally in every word to benefit from the reading and study of the bible. As such it is to be interpreted, our personel truth gleened from its pages and accepted for what it is, a collection of works written by numerous different people and interpreted from three seperate ancient languages into english. These people may or may not have been devinely inspired; but it doesn't matter. It, the bible, does not have to be literally word for word true to guide, teach and inspire us. " -Religious man
All I can say is, as you already stated urself, you have doubts. And you have doubts for a reason. Your belief or faith is so weak, that it can not stand up under any scrutiny. Thus you must believe absolutely in the literal interpretation of the bible without question or your whole belief system and power base will fall apart. The bible has alot of contradictions, yet you must profess to believe in it as it is the only proof or basis of your belief in God. People (in general) therefore feel that they must counter or disprove any and all theories that contradict the bible, and the theory of evolution is the most basic and vurnerable of the lot as it stricks right at the heart of their belief in their own religion.
Religion does not need to be proven, because thats not what religion is about, at all. If you think so I think you should read the bible (again?).
Using science to prove religion is doing something that you should not. The bible is not based on facts and scientific proofs. The bible is a book of stories and wisdom that contains truth and morals, allegory and metaphor as well as parables. How one reads them and understand them varies from person to person, and one of the cases here is people using science to prove religion is true, like you are doing styla.
Science isn't a theory open to scrutinization. It is a method, an idea, a philosophical approach of how to come by truth. Now if religious people wish to use that method, then they may do a lot of things, but one thing they may not do, is disprove it. What they are actually trying to disprove, is commonly held scientific theories. The most obvious problem in the criticisms that come from the religious people, is that they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory. Evolution replaced creationism because evolution explained stuff which creationism just fudged over. Evolution is a theory, creation isn't. Evolution replaced creation because it is better.
I can tell it's quite obvious you lost the strong faith u once had, desperately trying to prove everything the bible says is true by using science.
If you again reply in some dumb manner starting with "Here comes grim again the dumbass debater" Im simply gonna ignore what you're saying.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 04-06-2011
(04-06-2011, 02:26 PM)TwistedDemon link Wrote: Oh god, why do they all have to go to hell?There's NO 100% true and right proof that the hell exists. We will only know the truth after we die.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Dominator33 - 04-06-2011
SERIOUSLY anna aka mike, get the fuck out of this topic, you are only posting bullshit and you are obv not serious at all. thank you!
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Hitman - 04-06-2011
(04-06-2011, 04:08 PM)Anna_ link Wrote: like you are serious, noob, and i wont get out of this topic, i dont take orders from you kid. and im not mike... if you want to think im mike, go for it, I don't know you, why would I care.
I will quote myself again.
[modbreak]Please understand that this is a sensitive topic to discuss. There was another religion topic before which got locked due to flaming. Only reply to this topic if you want to take part in the discussion in a serious and mature manner. Any comments that show the slightest sign of disrespect, flaming, trolling will be deleted and the poster will receive a 2-week forum mute.[/modbreak]
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-06-2011
Quote:Grim link=topic=28190.msg381814#msg381814 date=1302098496]
Religion is based on faith. If you truely believe, you do NOT need proof. No matter what science says, you should stay true to your beliefs.
If one does not believe because of faith, then you should not attempt to disprove it, becausec you will be baised. What you should do is continue your faith and leave the proving and disproving for people who truely seek the truth and not for those who want to make the evidence fit their beliefs. And that's exactly what you and ur videos are doing styla, making todays evidence fit your beliefs. Thats basically what all those vids are about.
Belief in God is based on faith
Faith doesn't need to be proven
Anyone who tries to prove it, doesn't believe.
"Those of stronger faith or conviction, those who have experienced God and/or Jesus personally, those who are not into thought and mind control but believe in voluntary belief and worship have no need or desire to prove or disprove anything. It is not necessary to believe literally in every word to benefit from the reading and study of the bible. As such it is to be interpreted, our personel truth gleened from its pages and accepted for what it is, a collection of works written by numerous different people and interpreted from three seperate ancient languages into english. These people may or may not have been devinely inspired; but it doesn't matter. It, the bible, does not have to be literally word for word true to guide, teach and inspire us. " -Religious man
All I can say is, as you already stated urself, you have doubts. And you have doubts for a reason. Your belief or faith is so weak, that it can not stand up under any scrutiny. Thus you must believe absolutely in the literal interpretation of the bible without question or your whole belief system and power base will fall apart. The bible has alot of contradictions, yet you must profess to believe in it as it is the only proof or basis of your belief in God. People (in general) therefore feel that they must counter or disprove any and all theories that contradict the bible, and the theory of evolution is the most basic and vurnerable of the lot as it stricks right at the heart of their belief in their own religion.
Religion does not need to be proven, because thats not what religion is about, at all. If you think so I think you should read the bible (again?).
Using science to prove religion is doing something that you should not. The bible is not based on facts and scientific proofs. The bible is a book of stories and wisdom that contains truth and morals, allegory and metaphor as well as parables. How one reads them and understand them varies from person to person, and one of the cases here is people using science to prove religion is true, like you are doing styla.
Science isn't a theory open to scrutinization. It is a method, an idea, a philosophical approach of how to come by truth. Now if religious people wish to use that method, then they may do a lot of things, but one thing they may not do, is disprove it. What they are actually trying to disprove, is commonly held scientific theories. The most obvious problem in the criticisms that come from the religious people, is that they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory. Evolution replaced creationism because evolution explained stuff which creationism just fudged over. Evolution is a theory, creation isn't. Evolution replaced creation because it is better.
I can tell it's quite obvious you lost the strong faith u once had, desperately trying to prove everything the bible says is true by using science.
If you again reply in some dumb manner starting with "Here comes grim again the dumbass debater" Im simply gonna ignore what you're saying.
starting another theme again without bothering to answer? thats fine with me, easy point.
now, obviously its based on faith, and obviously thousands of people got reasons to belive, like me and a damn good one. its not like i get money from it or im brain washed, G r i m!
"And that's exactly what you and ur videos are doing styla, making todays evidence fit your beliefs." - today's evidence? thousands of years old is like "today" for u? Interesting.
"your belief or faith is so weak, that it can not stand up under any scrutiny. Thus you must believe absolutely in the literal interpretation of the bible without question or your whole belief system and power base will fall apart. " - how can u judge my belif/faith without knowing me? another fail trying to prove something that u cannot. indeed, i did have doubts but they're even weaker now, like everyday.. I like the truth.
"The bible has alot of contradictions, yet you must profess to believe in it as it is the only proof or basis of your belief in God. People (in general) therefore feel that they must counter or disprove any and all theories that contradict the bible, and the theory of evolution is the most basic and vurnerable of the lot as it stricks right at the heart of their belief in their own religion." - Evolution does not harm Religion, because ive studied evolution and still do and its funny that the people that support evolution call Bible a fairytale
and if u want to know why i find evolution ridicolous, just ask lulz"Using science to prove religion is doing something that you should not. The bible is not based on facts and scientific proofs. The bible is a book of stories and wisdom that contains truth and morals, allegory and metaphor as well as parables. How one reads them and understand them varies from person to person, and one of the cases here is people using science to prove religion is true, like you are doing styla. "
- oh u ignored my last post. it just proves ur arguments on "people were too dumb" and next to it "fairytale wrote by man" , but this is the best proof to deny both of the "facts", since it was impossible for people at that time to describe the mentioned things in my previous evidences or INTERPRETATE them anyhow, since they DID NOT and COULDNT see them. Religion brings science together or science brings religion together, goes both wise.
"Science isn't a theory open to scrutinization. It is a method, an idea, a philosophical approach of how to come by truth. Now if religious people wish to use that method, then they may do a lot of things, but one thing they may not do, is disprove it. What they are actually trying to disprove, is commonly held scientific theories. The most obvious problem in the criticisms that come from the religious people, is that they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory. Evolution replaced creationism because evolution explained stuff which creationism just fudged over. Evolution is a theory, creation isn't. Evolution replaced creation because it is better.
" - indeed, u cant disprove Science but Big Bang is a theory and so is Evolution and as u said, science isn't theory. therefore, u cant judge it!
"they are criticising the new theory, favouring the old theory" ORCH-OR theory, what do u say about that in my previous topic? one of the best ways to prove God and trust me, Science is already doing some chances about it. not all the Christians support Creationism in the "way" it is too.
" Evolution is a theory, creation isn't." - that made no sense, evolution relies on creation? xD if u mean creationism, then obviously that's a theory too, no sense again.
"I can tell it's quite obvious you lost the strong faith u once had, desperately trying to prove everything the bible says is true by using science. " - woaw, getting personal there! my faith is getting stronger and stronger.
"If you again reply in some dumb manner starting with "Here comes grim again the dumbass debater" Im simply gonna ignore what you're saying." - thats what u did in last post, since u obviously couldnt dis-verify my claims. byebye!
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 04-06-2011
(04-06-2011, 07:26 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: starting another theme again without bothering to answer? thats fine with me, easy point.
I'm not bothering to answer your "claims" because I feel it's too stupid to spend time on, I already did like 2 pages ago and im not gonna continue everytime u post a new video. If thats a easy point for u then GG I guess lol.
Instead I talk about what I felt was important to talk about.
(04-06-2011, 07:26 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: thats what u did in last post, since u obviously couldnt dis-verify my claims. byebye!
Same as above ^
Im not here to disprove any of ur claims, im here to talk about religion. And thats what I did above and if u dont want to understand it it's not really my problem. My point was made anyway. Im sure alot of other people who read it will understand, its not only about you styla. The only thing u do is defending urself lol
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - 0Target0 - 04-06-2011
Styl4, I really feel sad for you, while millions of people have evolved over the ages, you still have the world image of people who lived 4000 years ago. This is a very limited world image, the so called claims (youtube video's) you made are all invalid since they are biased in a major way. I can only consider you brainwashed or completely dumb. I feel that you are a person who is an extremist in Christianity. Any further discussion with you is irrelevant since you don't have a clear view on the world.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-06-2011
"I'm not bothering to answer your "claims" because I feel it's too stupid to spend time on, I already did like 2 pages ago and im not gonna continue everytime u post a new video. If thats a easy point for u then GG I guess lol.
Instead I talk about what I felt was important to talk about." - you didnt really answer anything on my 2nd previous post, and u know it
"Im not here to disprove any of ur claims, im here to talk about religion. And thats what I did above and if u dont want to understand it it's not really my problem. My point was made anyway. Im sure alot of other people who read it will understand, its not only about you styla. The only thing u do is defending urself lol" - ok but before u do that make sure u write "IMO", will save us alot of time. defending myself? Nah i think i pretty much striked good, due to ur post
"Styl4, I really feel sad for you, while millions of people have evolved over the ages, you still have the world image of people who lived 4000 years ago. This is a very limited world image, the so called claims (youtube video's) you made are all invalid since they are biased in a major way. I can only consider you brainwashed or completely dumb. I feel that you are a person who is an extremist in Christianity. Any further discussion with you is irrelevant since you don't have a clear view on the world. " - good ol' excuse, if its really Holy then the time does not matter right ? just proved u some point, since ure going offtopic i will take it as a yes to me.
the so called youtube videos u did not answer to. ur answer was typical out of anger, thats what i expect when someone loses a debate. starting a new theme is a must there. what i provided were evidences, what u provided is ur opinion.ORCH - OR for the win. ("old debation")
Science and Religion for the win.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Tuism - 04-06-2011
(04-06-2011, 02:27 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: even in ur religion it says that if u help ur mankind and if you belive in ONE God and serve him, you will not go to hell. it is logical indeed, a guy who's been helping poor kids, had a good hearth and didnt harm almost no one will go to Hell because he doesn't belive until the judge day? yea, thats what i call logic and love! so much for knowing urself!
too bad you don't know my religion
everyone who isn't a Muslim will go to hell, it's true if you believe in God and serve him you will not go to hell, but the problem here is HOW are you going to serve and worship God, you have to worship him the way he wants, not the way you want.
[3:19]surely the true religion with Allah is Islam, and those who have been given the book (Christians and Jews) did not show opposition until they had the knowledge, an envy among them, and those who disbelieve in the miracles of Allah surely Allah is quick in reckoning.
[3:35]And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
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(04-06-2011, 03:11 PM)durrrr link Wrote: There's NO 100% true and right proof that the hell exists. We will only know the truth after we die.
ah, and lose your after life? which is very long, like, infinitive years.