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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 11-21-2012
Your situation just reminds me of a Lithuanian novel about a young cleric-poet studying in a Catholic priest seminary. He wants to leave it and be a writer but can't do it because of the pressure from people and parents' hopes in him. It takes him about 20 years to finally write the letter to the authorities and live as a normal person.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Tuism - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 05:30 PM)Maddolis link Wrote: Ahh good luck with the situation with your fathers guys, it's unfortunate that you risk physical injury and being cut off from family and friends due to having an open mind. If we wish to live in a truly multicultural society (which is upon us, particularly with the internet), these archaic beliefs and ridiculously oppressive schemes have to be put to an end, or at least watered down until they're benign.
That would only be possible if we were able to express our thoughts on religion freely and without expecting punishment either from the society or the law.
All we have now is the internet and we have to do that anonymously, so we won't have the same fate as Alber Saber for example.
Otherwise there's going to be 1.5 billion people believing in these archaic beliefs and acting based on them...forever.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - 0Target0 - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 05:33 PM)KaBooM link Wrote: Indeed, but how?
Time my friend, Time...
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - KaBooM - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 06:57 PM)M-Jeeli link Wrote: That would only be possible if we were able to express our thoughts on religion freely and without expecting punishment either from the society or the law.
All we have now is the internet and we have to do that anonymously, so we won't have the same fate as Alber Saber for example.
Otherwise there's going to be 1.5 billion people believing in these archaic beliefs and acting based on them...forever.
I just remembered someone, I believe he was an artist, making Islamic songs, but then he left Islam and is still till now chased by the Saudi Arabian authorities, because he's Saudi Arabian. And he can't enter his own country so he's living in London right now.
Can't remember his name though... hmm..
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Cranslator - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 10:34 AM)KaBooM link Wrote: I am serious, this is my last year in highschool and I'm trying not to mess anything up, because my dad pays for school and I'm living in his house. He already threatened to kick me out of the house when he noticed I wasn't praying at the mosque. (mj you should know the feeling lol)According to ''free will,which makes person an Independent Person'' You are able to believe whatever you want to believe. It can be a religion or love etc.. Apparently, your father is an conservative muslim.In Turkey there are some people like your father and I can understand you,maybe you will never get a chance to change his way.On account of this kind of behaviours many people see Islam Religion as a strict religion that restrict believer's life.I wish he could change his way.You go on your way till graduate from high school.He is your father and of course he loves you so don't discuss with him but don't budge from your belief.
Imagine what he would do if he noticed I wasn't praying at all.
After that, imagine what he would do if he knew I left religion at once.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Maddolis - 11-22-2012
(11-21-2012, 05:33 PM)KaBooM link Wrote: Indeed, but how?
(11-21-2012, 06:57 PM)M-Jeeli link Wrote: That would only be possible if we were able to express our thoughts on religion freely and without expecting punishment either from the society or the law.
All we have now is the internet and we have to do that anonymously, so we won't have the same fate as Alber Saber for example.
Otherwise there's going to be 1.5 billion people believing in these archaic beliefs and acting based on them...forever.
I wish I knew how. Common sense, logic and reasoning (which are pretty much synonymous with each other) only tend to work on those with an open mind or those sitting on the fence between theism and atheism, or haven't really thought about it.
Those who reject atheistic principles as soon as they're mentioned have also closed their mind to logic and reasoning. There is no clear solution- however I believe that the more people in strongly Islamic countries that stand up for their beliefs and for science (yes, even at the risk of death), the more people will gain confidence from that and will join them.
When harm comes to these people it causes a stir in the Western world- and I doubt that many of these countries will dabble in the affairs of these Islamic countries, though with more people having the confidence to stand up to the religious oppression, the more people there'll be in the next generation, and the next, and so forth. It's easier in Western countries, but will still likely take another 100+ years.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - KaBooM - 11-22-2012
(11-21-2012, 08:36 PM)Cranslator link Wrote: According to ''free will,which makes person an Independent Person'' You are able to believe whatever you want to believe. It can be a religion or love etc.. Apparently, your father is an conservative muslim.In Turkey there are some people like your father and I can understand you,maybe you will never get a chance to change his way.On account of this kind of behaviours many people see Islam Religion as a strict religion that restrict believer's life.I wish he could change his way.You go on your way till graduate from high school.He is your father and of course he loves you so don't discuss with him but don't budge from your belief.
No, actually my dad is being a true Muslim, because what he did was because Islam told him to do it. Do you know the story of the people who didn't go to the mosque and Mohammad was about to burn their houses down?
So you didn't?
One more question. Richard Dawkins always wins Muslims in debates with this question lol...
What is the penalty of Apostasy in Islam?
If you don't know then you're not a Muslim bro, therefore your argument is rejected.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SWK]Nemesis - 11-22-2012
Death being the answer
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Maddolis - 11-22-2012
"Let's change the topic" being the Muslim answer in a debate.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - KaBooM - 11-22-2012
(11-22-2012, 02:19 PM)Maddolis link Wrote: "Let's change the topic" being the Muslim answer in a debate.
Indeed. If the whole religion is flawless and from "God" then why would you be ashamed from mentioning something prescribed in it?
Because it isn't, that's the answer.