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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Silent_Bob - 06-14-2011
I'm sorry to tell you STyL4 but this isn't a debate topic, if it were the the topic name would be "Serious Debate" not "Serious Discussion" so why is it you continue to say that it is a debate? This topic is pretty much just an opinion topic where we discuss our opinions on religion. The fact that you have to pretty much attack EVERYONE who replies here is getting rather old fast and honestly you're a bit of an idiot if you think anyone here takes you seriously when you continue doing that.
ontopic: I never got why people tell their kids that "they went to a better place" after someone dies. It's almost as bad as when a parent tells a kid that there is a Santa Claus, I mean seriously, why lie to your kids about something like that? And the creepy shit where you say "they're watching over us" how creepy is that? When I was younger and someone told me that I would freak out that my grandma was watching me, that's not a good thing to put kids through. It's better for kids to find out the truth the continue to lie to them time and time again, it makes it easier for when they're older and it's better to teach your kids reality rather then fantasy.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - 0Target0 - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 06:19 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: (it's actually laughable that Slice, the guy who actually doesn't have a clue what we're talking about stops by just to critise me. i've been trolling him enough (in sa-mp) , now this? yes victims have to approach xD)
@Grim he accuses me of MISINTERPRETATIONS. interesting indeed, because he can't really JUDGE me at that at all. he's been doing misinterpretations all the time. how can you have a proper debate with someone when he doesn't even know what a debate is ?
e.g.:"Classic debate emphasizes logic and real-world discussion"
i'm sorry 0target0, but you did not explain your argument therefore it's just your opinion. i mean, i can just claim Newton's law is misinterpretation because Force is a wrong term and claim to be true. thats what ure doing all the time. i can quote all the post i proven you wrong already, just for u.
I know you can't reply my question dedicated to 0target0, because so far everything u' had shown in that topic was "ur opinion", with no special arguments. but if universe is a mind then that approves creationism, for e.g. if MIND was created, then that's officialiy an intelligent design. but can the mind be created with "Big Bang" only? or is it already needed more than that, Someone who is even smarter than us ? obviously a creator.
0target0, you still didn't reply this. why are you avoiding the question? perhaps because all ur arguments were misinterpretations and that's just proves that u're clueless about the following question? if you're a bad loser that does not mean you perhaps dont know (or is it...)
"Since collapse is ontologically identical with protophenomenal observation (meaning the same thing that occurs in both mental observation and observation by non-mental equipment), how can self-collapse not equal self-observation? Since self-observation is equal to consciousness how is self-collapse ontologically different in any way shape or form from self-observation?"
Nice personal non founded attacks there, towards me, Grim and Slice.
(06-14-2011, 06:21 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: Maka no trolling but when my grandpa passed away, i did do some research about afterlife .. some of them are very promosiving. i can share (on PMs because there are way too many misinterpretators here) and i can promosive you that you'll have different view on NDE sightings, life after death and so on... and it's not like it relies on Religion or something (the ""evidences"", more likely some interesting facts, not evidences).Promosiving <= Word inventing right there? Please check your dictionary.
RIP to your grandpa.
Unless you define the words (cause a broad interpretation is possible): self-observation, self-collapse and the circumstances for the self collapse, i can not aswer that question. I see a 'question' that is entirely built out of assumptions, which in fact does not look promising. I have problems with the use of ontological arguments. Since they are not based on any scientific proof.
The reason why there is a misinterpretation is that the universe does not equal a self collapsing wave function, it is a property that we (humans) have given to the universe in order to try and understand the behaviour and the quantumphysical measurement problem. Is this property correct? Maybe so, maybe not. We use it untill it proves us wrong. Since there are much theories about that problem you can just pick one out and combine it with just whatever theory you like.
Penrose Orch Or has nothing to do with God. You have to prove me wrong on that one. Because according to your theory. Universe=Mind=Self Collapsing wave function=God=Consciousness.
You have never proven me wrong styl4, it seems that you just get more mad by the minute. You are the only one on this forum desperate enough to believe in this fairytale.
I also have very promosiving proof about UFO sightings, please PM me for proof, and you can join my sect.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Gaahl - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 03:46 PM)TwistedDemon link Wrote: you can put it up like that, or... you can just say that it's better to be believers
that quote just told me that believers fear nothing, tell me which one is better for your mental health? believing that your loved ones are going to a better place? or "knowing" that they are just going to decompose and that you lost them forever?
I know my grandfathers are rotting down there but my mental health isn't affected at all from that. We are all going to become worm-food sooner or later
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Slice - 06-14-2011
STyL4 first off what you call trolling is what other people usually refer to as "styla being retarded as usual". Anyway, I'm not here to sink down to your childish level.
Basically STyL4, what you're doing is finding all these reasons, explanations, etc. that other people (with the same fucked up subconscious such as yours) has made up to give themselves some sort of inner peace.
Yes, you can write down ginormous theories on how everything is a big brain, yadda yadda. One can actually make it sound pretty reasonable by lightly twisting words and simplifying explanations.
If you really just stop for a second and take a look at the big picture you come to realize it's all just a bunch of bull shit.
I honestly feel sorry for your inability to see things clearly; that being said, I'll step out of this discussion/debate and let you think you "win" it somehow by basically tossing lame insults, repeating yourself, and posting links to "information" by brainwashed, self-proclaimed scientists.
Have a nice day!
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Tuism - 06-15-2011
(06-14-2011, 06:31 PM)Silent_Bob link Wrote: I'm sorry to tell you STyL4 but this isn't a debate topic, if it were the the topic name would be "Serious Debate" not "Serious Discussion" so why is it you continue to say that it is a debate? This topic is pretty much just an opinion topic where we discuss our opinions on religion. The fact that you have to pretty much attack EVERYONE who replies here is getting rather old fast and honestly you're a bit of an idiot if you think anyone here takes you seriously when you continue doing that.
+1
That's what we've been telling him long ago but the kid never listens.
(06-14-2011, 08:08 PM)Gaahl link Wrote: I know my grandfathers are rotting down there but my mental health isn't affected at all from that. We are all going to become worm-food sooner or later
but wouldn't it be better if you believed that your grandfathers are going to heaven?
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 06-15-2011
TwistedD, would you choose sweet lie over sad truth?
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Munch - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 08:50 AM)TwistedDemon link Wrote: but wouldn't it be better if you believed that your grandfathers are going to heaven?
If you truely believed in it, then you might feel better. But you can't just "believe" in it, if you don't believe it but keep telling yourself you or your loved ones go to Heaven then that's just living in denial, which isn't good. False hope isn't good either.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Tuism - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 10:45 AM)durrrrr link Wrote: TwistedD, would you choose sweet lie over sad truth?
nope, I would choose obvious painfully sad truth over doubtful sweetly joyful lie.
(06-15-2011, 11:09 AM)Munch link Wrote: If you truely believed in it, then you might feel better. But you can't just "believe" in it, if you don't believe it but keep telling yourself you or your loved ones go to Heaven then that's just living in denial, which isn't good. False hope isn't good either.
In Islam if you have the smallest bit of doubt you won't be considered a believer.
means: if you're a Muslim, it can never be called a false hope.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Munch - 06-15-2011
That is why I said if you don't believe it but keep telling yourself that it is just living in denial and giving yourself false hope.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - 0Target0 - 06-15-2011
Why does the truth need to be sad? I can happily live with it, in fact, knowing that this is your moment actually motivates to make the best out of it.
Carl Sagan - 'A Glorious Dawn' ft Stephen Hawking (Symphony of Science)