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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Maka - 06-11-2011
Read the goddamn topic title.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 06-11-2011
(06-11-2011, 11:42 AM)STyL4 link Wrote: ORCH OR theory are FACTs.
Somethings not right here.
(06-11-2011, 11:42 AM)STyL4 link Wrote: "Since collapse is ontologically identical with protophenomenal observation (meaning the same thing that occurs in both mental observation and observation by non-mental equipment), how can self-collapse not equal self-observation? Since self-observation is equal to consciousness how is self-collapse ontologically different in any way shape or form from self-observation?"
You're asking questions about things you dont fully understand yourself.
I could be asking questions regarding Einsteins theories aswell to look intelligent, but it doesnt work that way.
I doubt you can answer your own questions tbh.
Anyway, I dont understand how Orch OR has anything to do with God. It's not a scientific theory building up on proving Gods existense or anytihng like that.
It's a theory of consciousness, wich is a normal known term most people know of.
Religious people using science to backup their faith is dumb. It's nothing more than a mis-interpretion, just like alot of other things in religion.
Nowhere does it state that this theory is made to explain God. Religious people using this theory to do so doesn't mean it's correct in any way other than helping your own faith and what u believe in as a person.
It cannot be used to prove anything regarding God, at all.
Everytime you try to use this theory and connect God, you're misinterpreting it and exploiting it.
Not to mention Sir Roger Penrose (It's him and Stuart Hameroff who's behind this theory) is an atheist.
I cant find any personal life info about Stuart but I doubt he continued with this project because he's religious and want to prove God.
If you're gonna answer to this Styla, you must obey to these rules or u will get banned for 2 weeks.
- Use of proper grammar
- No internet slangs
- No "gg u fail" trolling
- Proper use of quotes
- Proper use of paragraphs and punctation
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 06-11-2011
"Nowhere does it state that this theory is made to explain God." another small amount of knowledge detected. it does explain God and it is made for that, i've spoken with author about that on youtube. no wonder u don't know anything about it lol
"It cannot be used to prove anything regarding God, at all.
Everytime you try to use this theory and connect God, you're misinterpreting it and exploiting it." are u kidding me? obviously u don't know what ORCH OR theory is, author itself used it just for that.. oh God go read from page number ... oh wont go back just for u.
it's like saying : "Big Bang theory is not even trying to find out how universe started, its completely misinterpretating it."
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/orchor.html - please u read that (considering Hameroff)
"It's a theory of consciousness, wich is a normal known term most people know of. " that's just part of it, another small amount of knowledge detected.
gramar mistake, kill me.
* Use of proper grammar
* No internet slangs
* No "gg u fail" trolling
* Proper use of quotes
* Proper use of paragraphs and punctation
alright, what about u stop with ur "opinion" and answer this one:
"Since collapse is ontologically identical with protophenomenal observation (meaning the same thing that occurs in both mental observation and observation by non-mental equipment), how can self-collapse not equal self-observation? Since self-observation is equal to consciousness how is self-collapse ontologically different in any way shape or form from self-observation?"
none of u haters did it so far. none of you even disproved the theory, which means YOU urself actually can't.
theory is too difficult for you ... CREATION < last word. get the whole theory right because u didn't even watch it .. or even if u did, ur INTERPRETATION is WAY too simple.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - 0Target0 - 06-11-2011
Never reported you styl4?
How do you connect orch or to god? I mean seriously. The whole Ratz thing is a misinterpretation. I repeat, the whole Penrose Orch or and hammerhoff has nothing to do with god.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 06-11-2011
Your whole post is one big mess so I'm not gonna bother to read it carefully. .
Thanks for trying though
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 06-11-2011
thats obviously because uve got nothing else to say... ok so none of you couldn't answer my questio nthen, i'll take it as a clueless then.
about theory and God
it doesn't in itself, but when you COMBINE Orch-OR with the fact that the universe's wave-function MUST ALSO necessarily collapse via Orch-OR then it automatically leads to the conclusion that the wave-function of the universe is a mind (if u find this "stupid" grim, then go on and please answer my latest question because u didnt.
if u find this to be incredible to look up "Paola Zizzi" and "The Big Wow," which is not exactly Johananratz's model but is very close. he was shown it by Hameroff when he emailed him his first Universal Orch-OR video. And he believes it. So we have at least one famous scientist who believes in the quantum God or something equivalent. go on email it him urself
(obviously ur statement was wrong yet again Grim, about him not believing.. i suggest u to do the same, and obviously Hameroff's smarter than engineer 0Target0. he'd know how to answer my question)
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 06-11-2011
(06-11-2011, 07:55 PM)STyL4 link Wrote: i'll take it as a clueless then.
Whatever makes you happy.
So basically what you're saying is that the universe is a mind, and the mind = God? Thats how it works?))
Cuz I cant find much information about Orch or and God. No matter what I search I get nothing where Orch or explain, or even mention God.
Also it seems like, based on vids and other sources, that Stuart Hameroff is getting laughed at quite alot and very few people agree with this theory.
Not the mention this theory aint very known at all, there's very little information around it.
Basically when you search Orch Or, you get a wiki page, 2 videos of Stuart Hameroff defending his theory, and a few pages of people claiming the theory aint correct.
So why are you connecting Orch or and God, while barely anyone else does?
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - 0Target0 - 06-11-2011
The wave function of the universe is a property of the universe, the self collapsing wave function is still a property of the mind. The conclusion is still a misinterpretation, and theres absolutely no way around it.
I would kindly advise you to stop with the personal criticism, because that is only the behavior of a bad loser. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a flaming topic.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Tuism - 06-12-2011
(06-11-2011, 11:21 AM)STyL4 link Wrote: yes, and as for that... if u mean me, don't u troll. Maka couldn't reply and so can't u, it's way too scientific for u.. because so far in ur replies i didn't see so much of a science. sometimes believer can be a good scientists also.
wait.. NOW JUST WAIT A MINUTE!!
UR NOT A GOOD CHRISTIAN, YOU NEED TO BE HUMBLE CUZ GOD SAYS "Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you"
I smell hypocrisy
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 08:09 AM)TwistedDemon link Wrote: wait.. NOW JUST WAIT A MINUTE!!
UR NOT A GOOD CHRISTIAN, YOU NEED TO BE HUMBLE CUZ GOD SAYS "Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you"
I smell hypocrisy
Eat it styla.
