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Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-02-2011
i know why i belive in God, i know why i belive in Jesus... it is so obvious for me, but i wont provoke no one to change his faith as most of american atheists do.
Jesus surely is a historical person and a half, he simply convinced too many people(look how far away-years- we are from Jesu's birth, and IT STILL remains..) , now look at those people that were shown as "strange" beings. they simply called them witches, wizards or sorceress and burnt them, but Jesus convinced too many people and he MADE too big influence to just say : he was just a man sharing stories... and after all, why did he do it? well the logical answer was because he was sharing God's words and that couldnt be forgotten at all.. ask urself, were those women accused as witches that known as Jesus even if they did incredible things? there were many maria sightings, such as her statue crying blood, infront off thousands of egyptian being showed etc.
there is no way to compare santa etc. and Jesus because look at the historical view, at the dramatic changes the influence etc.
most of people judge religion WAY too fast. they say Religion is a thing to manipulate poor minded people with, WELL that's dumb and look at it at the right way. LEADERS aka HUMANS abused religion because many people BELIVED IN IT SO MUCHAND they were wiling to change their life-style for it or even risk death. thats something to think about. and of course some people today do not think of it as a "abusive leader with religion as a tool" but only as a "religion". they always see Christianity in the middle age, not the old Christianity where everything started.
Bible itself is surprising with loads of codes in it, no wonder Newton investigated bible and bible predicted LOADS of things that REALLY happent. like thousands. helped the medicine, predicted the radio waves, planes etc. dont look at it as a story book, but look into details.
ive got many reasons to belive, i had my doubts but i never denied it 100 %. always look at it 50/50. I have investigated afterlife, my net's friend's mom died and had the best feeling of her life, she wanted to feel that again but obviously suicide is not the answer. unconciousness atoms cant create unliving awareness(impossible) such as feelings and seeing things with so many details. scientists saying its just a brain's effect is dumb conclusion. oh btw a man was dead for 3 years then he suddenly "woke" up due to small energy shock.
Hell and Heavens might sound as fairy tail, but if u go investigate in the details and drop the : "cool story bro, sure its in religion only" then trust me u will find something.
and what i hate is the arguments that state religion as a bad story with no science in it. if ure such a scientists then u will know that theres hidden loads of it, science brings religion together and otherwise, if you could wrap your minds around God you would be God.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - Maddolis - 04-02-2011
Quote:Grim link=topic=28190.msg381133#msg381133 date=1301679854]
You can go create ur own topic about preaching if u wanna discuss it.
I'm no longer much of a religious man but when people talk contradictory shit I gotta step in and set the story straight.
Besides, this is the perfect topic to discuss it- I'm not talking about the kind of 'preaching' you most likely have in mind (if you do not believe in god-ah you will go to hell-ah), but just everything the priest says in that 45-60 minute time block in the chuch they call mass.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 04-02-2011
(04-02-2011, 12:25 AM)STyL4 link Wrote: i know why i belive in God, i know why i belive in Jesus... it is so obvious for me, but i wont provoke no one to change his faith as most of american atheists do.
Jesus surely is a historical person and a half, he simply convinced too many people(look how far away-years- we are from Jesu's birth, and IT STILL remains..) , now look at those people that were shown as "strange" beings. they simply called them witches, wizards or sorceress and burnt them, but Jesus convinced too many people and he MADE too big influence to just say : he was just a man sharing stories... and after all, why did he do it? well the logical answer was because he was sharing God's words and that couldnt be forgotten at all.. ask urself, were those women accused as witches that known as Jesus even if they did incredible things? there were many maria sightings, such as her statue crying blood, infront off thousands of egyptian being showed etc.
there is no way to compare santa etc. and Jesus because look at the historical view, at the dramatic changes the influence etc.
most of people judge religion WAY too fast. they say Religion is a thing to manipulate poor minded people with, WELL that's dumb and look at it at the right way. LEADERS aka HUMANS abused religion because many people BELIVED IN IT SO MUCHAND they were wiling to change their life-style for it or even risk death. thats something to think about. and of course some people today do not think of it as a "abusive leader with religion as a tool" but only as a "religion". they always see Christianity in the middle age, not the old Christianity where everything started.
Bible itself is surprising with loads of codes in it, no wonder Newton investigated bible and bible predicted LOADS of things that REALLY happent. like thousands. helped the medicine, predicted the radio waves, planes etc. dont look at it as a story book, but look into details.
ive got many reasons to belive, i had my doubts but i never denied it 100 %. always look at it 50/50. I have investigated afterlife, my net's friend's mom died and had the best feeling of her life, she wanted to feel that again but obviously suicide is not the answer. unconciousness atoms cant create unliving awareness(impossible) such as feelings and seeing things with so many details. scientists saying its just a brain's effect is dumb conclusion. oh btw a man was dead for 3 years then he suddenly "woke" up due to small energy shock.
Hell and Heavens might sound as fairy tail, but if u go investigate in the details and drop the : "cool story bro, sure its in religion only" then trust me u will find something.
and what i hate is the arguments that state religion as a bad story with no science in it. if ure such a scientists then u will know that theres hidden loads of it, science brings religion together and otherwise, if you could wrap your minds around God you would be God.
Please quote me verses where it says in the Bible anything about planes or radio waves.
And about Jesus part and his teachings - banal suggestion, but watch Zeitgeist.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 04-02-2011
(04-02-2011, 09:36 AM)durrrr link Wrote: banal suggestion, but watch Zeitgeist.
I just watched the Zeitgeist 1-3 episodes on utube (however the movie itself is 1 hour?
You guys should watch this, srsly
Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold (1of 3)
Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold (2 of 3)
Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold (3 of 3)
It's pretty damn amazing
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-02-2011
durrr there is in the bible 100 %(saw it my self) and i can't find it now immediately lol, it would take me a week
MOVING ON TO THE ZEITGEITS.
zeitgeits treats jesus as a normal guy since there are many historical profos of him exsisting. but u must know that
Did Jesus Exist? 2 of 4 , i suggest you to read it all. Zeitgeits already tried to DENY Jesus's existance, now they just say he didn't have no powers.
"the Christian witness had everything to lose-many paying for their testimony with their lives", it's just dumb to belive someone and risk your life for him if u wouldnt be CONVINCED. how many people(leaders) claimed theyre Gods but do u think he got milions of people to belive him? no because he was just saying, not showing that, not making them feel.
Zeitgeist focuses on the Bible, Bible was edited numerous time and u know WHY? answer: abusive leaders as i ve already said... they tried to change everything in the bible for their own good
for example:
"the video is full of misinformation about Horus. He was baptized? Oh really! I would love to see a source for that!"
since u post loads of videos and are not full of words:
Zeitgeist | The Response (1)
Grim, ure just watching one side of the "story" and yet u only post videos which does not mean much to me, must be the words coming from ur mouth.
now u're asking urself: why would Zeitgeist do that? u should know how many American Atheists there are treating bad with Christians, u probably say thats a bullshit. just look at the internet discimination and the RL discrimination, do some research. question: IS IT worth fighting for NOTHING? it isnt, but in the atheist's logic that's what they're doing. maybe there's doubts making them fight-back. im proud i belive in God and these atheist debates never convinced me just made some doubts sometimes, they were "deleted" anyhow.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 04-02-2011
(04-02-2011, 11:10 AM)STyL4 link Wrote: Grim, ure just watching one side of the "story" and yet u only post videos which does not mean much to me, must be the words coming from ur mouth.
Just watching one side of the story? I tell ya son I've watched more sides of the story than u want to believe
I dont give a shit if the vid doesnt mean anything to you lol, that post wasnt directed to you at all, but to everyone.
I dont care what the zeitgeits want, all I know is that video was well made and brought up alot of good stuff I didnt know.
I chose to "believe" what was said in the video because it brought up more proof and references than ive seen before.
I also watched ur Zeitgeist response video and Im not impressed, and by the look of the viewer comments they're not rly impressed either. They bring up good points on why this response video is not good. At least now I dont have to spend 30minutes finding arguments, just read the comments.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - durrrrr - 04-02-2011
Styla, did you even watch the whole Zeitgeist?
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-02-2011
Quote:Grim link=topic=28190.msg381214#msg381214 date=1301739496]
Just watching one side of the story? I tell ya son I've watched more sides of the story than u want to believe
I dont give a shit if the vid doesnt mean anything to you lol, that post wasnt directed to you at all, but to everyone.
I dont care what the zeitgeits want, all I know is that video was well made and brought up alot of good stuff I didnt know.
I chose to "believe" what was said in the video because it brought up more proof and references than ive seen before.
I also watched ur Zeitgeist response video and Im not impressed, and by the look of the viewer comments they're not rly impressed either. They bring up good points on why this response video is not good. At least now I dont have to spend 30minutes finding arguments, just read the comments.
actually u were manipulated by video, since then u should watch the arguments between Zeitgeust and few others very good Christian debaters, Zeitgeist had no chance, because it does deny few of the mistakes made by human around the Religion but not the main part itself, therefore u rely too much on that.
did Zeitgeist investigate Afterlife's sightings? no, i told u why theyre RELIABLE, atleast for me because lies dont get away from me, did Zeitgeist investigate its creation connected to Religion? no, just the religion, I can tell u how many good arguments there are for creatonism and if u wanna debate on it go on, but I can tell u , Big Bang is far from truth. even the evolution is. just watch the video ive sent u and compare them to Zeitgeist, watch ALL the parts though, since those "30 mins" werent enough for u, and Jesus part
im sorry but I cant deny my belifs due to that video, its so not good enough.
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - [SAE]Grim - 04-02-2011
(04-02-2011, 11:35 AM)STyL4 link Wrote: Big Bang is far from truth. even the evolution is.
I stopped caring right there, soz. Not worth my time
Re: [Serious Discussion] Religion - STyL4 - 04-02-2011
i know ure not good with maths, but please just try to calculate how many chances there are of big bang and complex features being formed . 1:1000000000 , if you include complex features such as brains, dna,Gravity location, AKs, planet's locations ETC. ETC. ETC. and also the atmosphere that in evolution's theories was the main part of Life being formed aka evolution's we know start. but unfortunately weyer's experiment is about to get debunked because there weren't exact conditions as it was said.
now go copy/paste more vids, its not worth my time if its not coming from poster its self.